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For those of you who are always right...

Sapiens

Polymathematician
Science includes astronomy and the search for extra-terrestrial intelligence, so it overlaps with the Bible which is simply a list of human interactions with offworld beings over many centuries..:)
For example the similarities between Jesus and Klaatu are remarkable, both had a hostile reception from primitive earthlings, what do you say Klaatu?

"Klaatu barada nikto!"
klaatushot_zps44a0c011.jpg~original
Sure ... sure,, and any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic, Dave.
 

Thief

Rogue Theologian
When using science fiction as a display....choose carefully.

I prefer the Star Trek episodes where the crew deal with entity beyond physical response.

Serious contemplation there!
 

Bunyip

pro scapegoat
Sure, it's easy to mock

But for those of us cursed with always being right, it is sometimes a difficult burden. I did think that I was wrong once, but was mistaken.
 

`mud

Just old
Premium Member
I've been wrong most of my time here,
but I don't admit it, no-one really knows the difference.
~
'mud
 

Terrywoodenpic

Oldest Heretic
Mostly we give ourselves the benefit of the doubt about what we believe.
I am prepared to give most beliefs the same benefit.

However there are occasions when I am certain that some belief is wrong.
The case of the IS killing of other faiths is one of them... this demonstrates to me that the religious premise on which it is based is as wrong as the act itself.
 

Wirey

Fartist
Mostly we give ourselves the benefit of the doubt about what we believe.
I am prepared to give most beliefs the same benefit.

However there are occasions when I am certain that some belief is wrong.
The case of the IS killing of other faiths is one of them... this demonstrates to me that the religious premise on which it is based is as wrong as the act itself.

But they learned from us. Does that make the basic premise of Christianity wrong as well?
 

Shuttlecraft

.Navigator
I think a better word for religion would be "SUPERSCIENCE" because it lifts our human understanding into new realms that can't be explained by ordinary science..:)
Just because our weak human senses can't detect a God doesn't mean he's not out there..
God said-"I fill heaven and earth" (Jer 23:23/4)

What do sensors indicate Mr. Spock?

"I am detecting an energy field of some sort, source and origin unknown"
Spock_science_station_zpsc58274f8.jpg~original
 
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Wirey

Fartist
I can't detect the Invisible Pink Unicorn or Flying Spaghetti Monster either. I'm pretty sure none of them are there.
 

Shuttlecraft

.Navigator
I can't detect the Invisible Pink Unicorn or Flying Spaghetti Monster either. I'm pretty sure none of them are there.

Think "stealth technology"..:)
ISIS SAM operator-"My radar detects no enemy aircraft so I'm pretty sure there are none out there"...BOOM!"
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
Daniel Dennett introduced me to a friend of his named Lucy. Lucy is a handy friend to have in your court, because Lucy is ALWAYS right.
 

s2a

Heretic and part-time (skinny) Santa impersonator
It's getting tiresome. As a 9 1/2 year member of RF, I never cease to be amazed by those posters who cannot even begin to conceive of the idea that someone else may have a valid point. I just started reading a fantastic book. I'm going to quote something from page 2:

"We all inhabit geographical, linguistic, and social words that shape our vision and our impressions of what is normal, what is real. Our worldview is a collective set of assumptions we carry with us that condition every question we ask. These 'paradigms' make it possible to guide inquiry, but they can also limit and impede our inquiry. They can get us off on the wrong foot, obscure our line of sight, or simply misdirect our focus. This is because, all too often, we don't realize the limiting assumptions with which we are working."

If you are one of those people who can never acknowledge even the possibility that you don't have all the answers, and know better than all the rest of us what "Truth-with-a-capitol-T" is, you have no idea how frustrating it can be for the rest of us to try to have a mature dialogue with you. Every one of us is coming from a distinctly unique place. I would venture a guess that the vast majority of those who come here for religious debate and discussion genuinely believe that their perspective is correct. They do so because of what they've been taught, what they've experienced, and what faith, reason, or a combination of the two tells them is correct. It is, of course, possible, that some people haven't ventured very far out of the box, and haven't given much thought to any perspective other than their own. I really feel sorry for them, whether they have come to some of the same conclusions as I have or not.

This constant, "I'm right, brother, and you're wrong," is starting to annoy me to no end. (You know who you are.) How about saying, "I believe..." or "From my perspective..." or "The way I see it..." for a change? None of us knows anything "for sure." God (and yes, I'm going to assume He exists because the idea that He does resonates very strongly with me) has not handpicked you to be the purveyor of all truth while letting the rest of us wallow in ignorance. Believe what you will. Stand up for what you believe. But for Heaven's sake, stop equating what you believe to be true with fact, because it's not. It's your belief, your opinion, your perspective. That's all it is. And try to let up a little with respect to the condescending responses. It's making all of us despise you. This has nothing to do with what's true and what isn't. It has everything to do with your attitude.

....and ask that you consider the alternative that, you are wrong.

If you are, IF you are... then what?

What happens if "unbelievers " are correct?

Now what?

Anything "provable" happens now.

"Eternal existence" is little more than a wish fulfilled by ancient texts that seek to affirm the claims of a self-professed messiah.

Is that all?

Really?

After existence in maybe 1/100000000 th years following a momentary mortal life, this is the best outcome to live an entire mortal life to achieve.?

Kobol?
 

outhouse

Atheistically
It's the act of reading the stuff on the religious shelf and finding it speaks more of humanity than divinity.

It is the act of reading stuff religion refuses to accept no matter how credible the knowledge is.


What is sad is many atheist knowledge of religion is far superior to that of the common theist. We don't have the religious blinders or bias.

Context is key here.
 
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