Desert Snake
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Explain verses
Matthew 24:40-41
Matthew 24:40-41
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For those who don't believe in earthly Rapture...
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RationalSkeptic
Freethinker
Explain how that indicates and earthly rapture without using your conclusion to prove your premise.
Luciferi Baphomet
Lucifer, is my Liberator
The rapture isn't ever going to happen. It is some silly thing made up by the born again christians.
@Jesu disciple
who is this thread meant for? Same Faiths Debates is specifically for people of a particular belief (or non-belief) system to debate. Are you intending it for Christians? If not, why quote the Bible?
who is this thread meant for? Same Faiths Debates is specifically for people of a particular belief (or non-belief) system to debate. Are you intending it for Christians? If not, why quote the Bible?
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Rapture isnt a belief in all xian paradigms, and theres disagreement about what it means. Scriptural debates or biblical DIR is probably ok as well,
Subhankar Zac
Hare Krishna,Hare Krishna,
This is a Christian DIR topic.
and in eastern faiths and philosophies, pain and joy are seasonal changes in one's life and mind. So, rapture is out of the question.
Subhankar Zac
Hare Krishna,Hare Krishna,
Rapture isn't there in overwhelming majority of the world religions, so best to suit it to the topic of Christianity which is the only faiths that propagates it.
And, what I said was the issue of rapture isn't there in eastern philosophies.
The same word, "taken" or "took" is written at Matthew 17:1 Matthew 20:17 Matthew 26:37
I think at Matthew 24:40-41 it just means that a person is accepted to be taught by him. Matthew 18:20 To be taught by him, learn from him and live that way is to be taken into God's family. It happens all the time. Matthew 12:48
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Therefore?..
not all xians ''christians'' adhere to the idea, actually
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Is there anything in the Bible, that you don't think is made up?
Desert Snake
Veteran Member
Hm, did you do a word comparison? In English, the words aren't the same in those verses. Are those verses merely illustrative of the idea that you're trying to present?
Luke 17:26-37 says the same thing about the days of destruction; yet ends slightly differently, which then indicates what it is referring to.
Luke 17:37 They, answering, asked him, “Where, Lord?” He said to them, “Where the body is, there will the vultures also be gathered together.”
This is then interlinking with the day of destruction prophesied in Isaiah 34; where it lists all the ravenous animals set to be removed, and has the same phrase vultures gather (Isaiah 34:15).
So the tares are gathered, and burned; not the other way around; the meek inherit the earth.
Matthew 24:40 παραλαμβάνεται http://biblehub.com/text/matthew/24-40.
Matthew 17:1 παραλαμβάνει http://biblehub.com/text/matthew/17-1.htm
http://biblehub.com/greek/3880.htm
paralambanó: to receive from
Original Word: παραλαμβάνω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: paralambanó
Phonetic Spelling: (par-al-am-ban'-o)
Short Definition: I take, receive
Definition: I take from, receive from, or: I take to, receive (apparently not used of money), admit, acknowledge; I take with me.
Interesting, but that can't be right because those left are said to be left "alone". No God with them?Luke 17:26-37 says the same thing about the days of destruction; yet ends slightly differently, which then indicates what it is referring to.
Luke 17:37 They, answering, asked him, “Where, Lord?” He said to them, “Where the body is, there will the vultures also be gathered together.”
This is then interlinking with the day of destruction prophesied in Isaiah 34; where it lists all the ravenous animals set to be removed, and has the same phrase vultures gather (Isaiah 34:15).
So the tares are gathered, and burned; not the other way around; the meek inherit the earth.
http://biblehub.com/greek/863.htm
Where does it say 'No God with them' or 'left alone'?
It says left, that isn't a bad thing; here will be like Heaven on earth, to reign with God in the Messianic age.
BSM1
What? Me worry?
Wouldn't say it is selective, based on what Paul put in 1 Thessalonians 4:17, it implies the good will be 'taken up' to avoid the destruction.
It would then be logical to look for other places people are 'taken up', which clearly implies some form of ascension, and then check for other sources, that might corroborate what Paul said.
Luciferi Baphomet
Lucifer, is my Liberator
The bible has been rewritten many times by a lot of people.
NASB TranslationWhere does it say 'No God with them' or 'left alone'?
It says left, that isn't a bad thing; here will be like Heaven on earth, to reign with God in the Messianic age.
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Aquitaine
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Easy. Answer: gullible creationist.