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For Trump, size clearly matters; reality, not so much

LuisDantas

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
Soandso said:
It's interesting how quickly people buy into the things Trump posts as if they are truth or evidence of anything
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I believe the technical term is "dog-whistling".

Those people don't believe in that either (with significant, assorted exceptions) but the point is not to be truthful nor even to believe, but rather to be proud of Der Leader's Courage to say bull and appear proud while so doing.

To a significant extent being bull sustained by lies is the whole point; a form of rebellion against the tyranny of truth and facts, or something.
 
I Am Hugh

I Am Hugh

Researcher
LuisDantas said:
Sorry, I am not doing the "pretending that he has a point" bit.
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That's a pity. What a waste of talent. Here, see, I'll do it. Every story has at least two sides. The us vs them divided and conquered distraction is just religious ideology. The defenders of each side are just different sides of the same coin.


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Copernicus

Copernicus

Industrial Strength Linguist
Revoltingest said:
Trump might believe what he's claiming.
But another possibility is that he's falsely
making these claims because it will inflame
his fervent followers, perhaps inspiring
violent insurrection again.
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The point I was making earlier was that he actually does appear to believe what he is claiming, but they start out as lies. Strange as it sounds to normal people, it is possible for a pathological liar to come to believe what he knew to be false when he started lying. The reason why that is helpful to him is that he sounds more convincing when he believes the falsehoods he spreads. He is able to convince very large numbers of people to believe what he tells them, and that reinforces his belief in his own falsehoods. It reinforces his passionate conviction that he is being persecuted by his enemies when they point out the lies. Just look at the way he clings to the Willie Brown lie, even though there is proof that Willie Brown was never on a helicopter with him that almost crashed.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Revoltingest said:
Trump might believe what he's claiming.
But another possibility is that he's falsely
making these claims because it will inflame
his fervent followers, perhaps inspiring
violent insurrection again.
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He's on tape acknowledging Covid is serious and deadly. He knows this. But he went a different route with policy.
Seems like people are too eager to attack Trump based on what's not their and what they don't have. He probably doesn't believe most of his lies.
 
It Aint Necessarily So

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
F1fan said:
This is an election for the swing voters
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Yes, but not exclusively. It's been the best presidential campaign of my life since Harris got the nod. The world is watching attentively. The only ones not enjoying this are Trump, the Republican party, and the rest of MAGA down to his base, who are suffering.

But for people living in the light, this has been a relief - a burden lifted.
Shadow Wolf said:
Actually it's not because family is not supposed to diagnose family. You can explain Trump quit easily and entirely without the unethical armchair shrinking.
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Didn't we disagree about this recently? How do you describe Trump without using terms from psychology like pathological liar, sociopath, narcissist, and in cognitive decline?
Ebionite said:
bashing Trump
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There's plenty more to come between now and election day. It will be a tough time for Trump supporters to have to watch this. Harris is sticking it to him with taunts. It's about time the Democrats learned how to win using means other than politeness and forbearance. This is out of the Republican playbook as we see from Trump's tantrums and name-calling, but unfortunately for him, he's got nothing (I'm surprised he hasn't begun projecting and calling her sleepy or crooked - or maybe he has), and she's got the moon to rub his nose in. And she's shown that she is willing to and capable of it: Criminal. Sexual predator. Small crowds. Coward. In hiding.

Michelle was wrong. When they go low, we step on their necks. As she says, when we fight, we win.
wellwisher said:
I saw an interview with a young black woman, who was an internet influencer, who said the Harris campaign was paying her to say good things about her on her social media presence; DNC buying votes. She said she got paid $3000.
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OK. Did you have a point?
wellwisher said:
What I also heard is some Democrats are still angry about Biden being driven out by that Coup, and Harris being coronated without any Democratic vote.
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Same answer. So what?
wellwisher said:
The Rabid base is fired up, but the moderates are falling away.
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If you're referring to the left, it's the opposite. Liberals are ecstatic, Harris is rising in the poles, which means she's getting the support of some combination of liberals who weren't planning on voting, undecideds that are now deciding, and moderate conservatives of the never-Trump persuasion. Trump is getting no new votes, and I'll bet that plenty of MAGA don't bother voting. Joe Rogan just abandoned Trump, which has Trump seeing double as always.
 
Pogo

Pogo

Well-Known Member
Shadow Wolf said:
Dumb Dumbies Orating ****?
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so far 20 min of rehashing his near death and how whatever he was, NYT and Guardian haven't even commented, apparently it is that dull. Opened the rumble link for a few minutes, circle jerk .
I'll read about it later, apparently nothing important will be said.
 
Shadow Wolf

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Pogo said:
so far 20 min of rehashing his near death and how whatever he was, NYT and Guardian haven't even commented, apparently it is that dull. Opened the rumble link for a few minutes, circle jerk .
I'll read about it later, apparently nothing important will be said.
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Didn't think it would be as good as his performance at the NABJ that was incomparably far worse than anything Biden could have done.
 
Pogo

Pogo

Well-Known Member
Shadow Wolf said:
Didn't think it would be as good as his performance at the NABJ that was incomparably far worse than anything Biden could have done.
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Climate change isn't a problem, it will make more oceanfront property!

I wonder who ties his shoes for him?
 
Revoltingest

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Copernicus said:
The point I was making earlier was that he actually does appear to believe what he is claiming, but they start out as lies. Strange as it sounds to normal people, it is possible for a pathological liar to come to believe what he knew to be false when he started lying. The reason why that is helpful to him is that he sounds more convincing when he believes the falsehoods he spreads. He is able to convince very large numbers of people to believe what he tells them, and that reinforces his belief in his own falsehoods. It reinforces his passionate conviction that he is being persecuted by his enemies when they point out the lies. Just look at the way he clings to the Willie Brown lie, even though there is proof that Willie Brown was never on a helicopter with him that almost crashed.
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A difficult thing to ascertain.
 
Jayhawker Soule

Jayhawker Soule

-- untitled --
Premium Member
Shadow Wolf said:
It Aint Necessarily So said:
Didn't we disagree about this recently? How do you describe Trump without using terms from psychology like pathological liar, sociopath, narcissist, and in cognitive decline?
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Liar, self centered, attention craving, sexual predator and rapist, con man, fraud, felon, this isn't hard to do.
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How come you get all the easy questions?
 
It Aint Necessarily So

It Aint Necessarily So

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Shadow Wolf said:
Liar, self centered, attention craving, sexual predator and rapist, con man, fraud, felon, this isn't hard to do.
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OK. Instead, just list the symptoms of each psychological diagnosis. Instead of narcissist, say these things below about him. I think it's more complete and more succinct to simply say that he's a malignant narcissist:

Signs Someone Is a Malignant Narcissist​

Signs and symptoms of narcissistic personality disorder (and the severity of these symptoms) vary. But the following are common characteristics of malignant narcissists:1
  • Preoccupied with fantasies about beauty, brilliance, success, and power
  • Unable to handle criticism
  • Tendency to lash out if they feel slighted
  • Likely to take advantage of others to get what they want
  • Overly concerned about their appearance
  • Expect to be treated as superior and craves this validation, also known as narcissistic supply
  • Lack of empathy for others
  • Inflated sense of self and inability to self-regulate
  • Have no remorse for hurting others and no interest in apologizing unless it benefits them
  • Have an attitude of deserving the best of everything
  • Tendency to monopolize conversations and/or mistreat those who they perceive as inferior
  • Hidden insecurity and a weak sense of self
  • Tendency to blame others for their own bad behavior
Additional signs of malignant narcissism can include:
  • Seeing the world in black-and-white terms, including seeing others as either friend or foe
  • Seeking to win at all costs, leaving a great amount of pain, frustration, and even heartache in their wake
  • Not caring about the pain they cause others—or maybe even enjoying it and experiencing it as empowering
  • Doing what it takes to protect themselves from loss, inconvenience, or failing to get what they want in any situation
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We're all qualified to make certain psychological diagnoses. You seem to consider that forbidden.

Do you have a friend who feels empty, is contemplating ending his or her life, can no longer experience pleasure, and can't eat, sleep, or get out of bed? Are you afraid to call that person depressed because it's a psychological diagnosis? I'm not, and it's not because I've diagnoses and successfully treated the condition. Anybody who is familiar with depression can identify cases as obvious as the one I just described.

I say with confidence that Trump is sociopathic. If you agree, aren't you making a psychological diagnosis there? Or are you unwilling to use that word because psychologists do?

Anyway, you have a standard that isn't mine, but one that it seems you would like me and others to adopt as well. It's fine with me if you refrain from using any of these technical words, but it's also fine with me that others do.

Jayhawker Soule said:
How come you get all the easy questions?
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Originally, I gave you a friendly rating for that. I misread it and understood the question as being asked of me. I thought that this guy is actually being friendly to me and tried to nurture that with a heart emoji.

Then I realized that it was the same old you taking another gratuitous snipe at me. Why do you do that? Because you don't like my antitheistic attitude about religion. Rebut it if you can or remain silent. What you do instead is the low road. It's a character defect in my opinion to respond to impersonal opinions with personal attacks.

And it will have no effect on my future posting except when I address you. Assume that when you do this again that I will call you on it. I'm done trying to get along with you and don't mind embarrassing you for this behavior. Let's see how you choose to proceed. I'm hoping for good manners if for no other reason than to not have to read more words like these.

Edit: I just read on another thread where you called Musk and Trump narcissists.
 
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