For Women: Thoughts on Late-Term Abortion?

[Debater Slayer]

I recently found out that Canada has no restrictions on when an abortion is performed.

I personally think each individual case should be assessed between doctors and their patients, but I also honestly have a hard time imagining abortion of a viable fetus. At the same time, I don't feel it is my or anyone else's place to force a woman to go through labor and childbirth, so I'm pretty conflicted about this. I'd like to hear women's opinions on this issue to learn more and widen my perspective.

As a woman, do you believe abortion should have a specific limit after which it becomes restricted to specific circumstances or banned altogether? And if not, what do you think is the best approach to abortion from a legal standpoint?

I know many men have opinions on this issue, but for the purpose of this particular thread, said opinions are best left for a different time. Thank you for understanding.

 

[epronovost]

While there is no time limits for abortion inCanada, over 92% of all abortion in Canada occur before the 12th week pf pregnancy, over 98% before the 16th week and none after the 24th week (unless there is fetal death). Passed the point of viability, you can simply trigger childbirth or procede with a c-section since its less risky than abortion at that point.

Late term abortions are extremely rare and usually the result of something going very wron with the pregnancy itself. A person not ready financially and/or emotionally to raise a child usually makes a decision in a matter of a few days or even pretty much instantaneously and abort very quickly as to save time and troubles. What leads to later abortion in freely elective cases is lack of access to the service which creates waiting lists or simply makes it difficult to access for people with low mobility like women with precarious employment and no access to a personnal vehicle.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Morally I'm against late term abortions excepting life threatening circumstances, since at that point 'abortion' via induced labor or C section can be done. But legally, I can understand not criminalizing late term abortions because it leads to liability disputes between legislature and doctors, which can lead to compromised care like in the case of Savita Halappanavar, who died because they were worried about legal ramifications of abortion during an incomplete miscarriage. The delay in abortion caused her to go sceptic and pass away.

 

[Starlight]

MURDER. abortion is murder. poor babies my heart cry..

late term abortion is the worst of all really evil.. Then the baby suffering so much..

 

[Debater Slayer]

I know many men have opinions on this issue, but for the purpose of this particular thread, said opinions are best left for a different time. Thank you for understanding.

MURDER. abortion is murder.

Are you a woman?

 

[Starlight]

Are you a woman?

Yes

 

[Debater Slayer]

Yes

Okay. What makes you believe abortion is murder in cases where the fetus wouldn't be viable outside the womb anyway? Is your belief stemming from a religious or medical objection to abortion?

 

[Debater Slayer]

Morally I'm against late term abortions excepting life threatening circumstances, since at that point 'abortion' via induced labor or C section can be done. But legally, I can understand not criminalizing late term abortions because it leads to liability disputes between legislature and doctors, which can lead to compromised care like in the case of Savita Halappanavar, who died because they were worried about legal ramifications of abortion during an incomplete miscarriage. The delay in abortion caused her to go sceptic and pass away.

Thanks. This is quite informative; I didn't know about the case you mentioned.

What do you believe should be done if the woman doesn't want to go through forced labor or a C-section but her life also wouldn't be in danger in case of no abortion?

 

[Starlight]

Okay. What makes you believe abortion is murder in cases where the fetus wouldn't be viable outside the womb anyway? Is your belief stemming from a religious or medical objection to abortion?

abortion is murder. poor babies my heart cry..

late term abortion is the worst of all really evil.. Then the baby suffering so much..

late-term abortion it is really evil.. Just google if you like.. Search on late term abortion. See the pictures.. read the horror storries

 

[Starlight]

The soul is said, by quite a few people, to enter only after ca. 75 to 90 days, so ca. 11-13 weeks


So it seems that 92% abort before the soul settled down well (even the soul can decide to quit). And it is good to remember that the soul can't die, so it can't be killed. And if the soul has to incarnate, it needs to find another womb, and in this case it will enter in a womb of a woman who really wants to have the child (Deo Volente)

I think that there is not really an issue here. Humans easily make an issue (even when they are not 100% sure about the details/facts; so it is actually a self imposed problem which might be untrue as well). And if I was about to enter a womb, and the woman really did not want me, but decided not to abort because of religious dogmas then I would make sure to get the Hell out of there, and search for a womb where I am welcome

How do you know the soul enter at that time?
Maybe the soul enter at conception.
Why take the chance?

 

[Starlight]

Is your belief stemming from a religious or medical objection to abortion?

Both religious, medical and morality reasons

 

[Debater Slayer]

abortion is murder. poor babies my heart cry..

late term abortion is the worst of all really evil.. Then the baby suffering so much..

late-term abortion it is really evil.. Just google if you like.. Search on late term abortion. See the pictures.. read the horror storries

I'm more interested in logical and medically supported arguments rather than emotionally charged stories or random pictures. That's why I asked you about the basis of your objection to abortion.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Both religious, medical and morality reasons

What are the medical reasons?

 

[Starlight]

What are the medical reasons?

Ask Trailblazer she has a very good answer on that question. Can someone ask her join this tread? I dont know how I do that

 

[ChristineM]

Personally i would not have an abortion but will defend the right of any woman to make an informed choice. If a late term termination is imperative, if continuing the pregnancy may cause serious damage or death then i see a need for it.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Best to leave them legal to free them up for women who do need them so care is not delayed over worry of legalities.
And, ultimately, healthcare is between a patient and her (or his) doctor. It's no one else's business. Everyone else with their opinions, their morality, and their objections can bugger off. It's not their business, it's not their place, it's not their body, it's not their life.

 

[Quintessence]

Yet another reason I should leave my country for Canada. It's a personal/medical decision that should be made by those directly involved and nobody else. The only exception I would grant is for regulation of human population but nobody wants to do or talk about that in the West, so that's kind of a mute point.

 

[ChristineM]

abortion is murder.

Not in countries that allow abortion by law. Of course you can give an emotional argument but please ensure the law agrees with your claim

 

[Debater Slayer]

Yet another reason I should leave my country for Canada. It's a personal/medical decision that should be made by those directly involved and nobody else. The only exception I would grant is for regulation of human population but nobody wants to do or talk about that in the West, so that's kind of a mute point.

Would you mind elabroating on the highlighted part? I'm interested to know more. How should such regulation be enforced, in your opinion?

Also, my conflicting feelings on this issue primarily result from the idea of aborting a fetus when it would be viable outside the womb. Barring cases where doing so is deemed medically necessary to save the mother's life, what, if anything, do you think makes it different from killing a newborn?

 

[Debater Slayer]

Best to leave them legal to free them up for women who do need them so care is not delayed over worry of legalities.
And, ultimately, healthcare is between a patient and her (or his) doctor. It's no one else's business. Everyone else with their opinions, their morality, and their objections can bugger off. It's not their business, it's not their place, it's not their body, it's not their life.

What do you think should be done if a woman wants to go ahead with a late-term abortion when it is not deemed medically necessary by her doctors? That is, where does one draw the line between that and killing a newborn child?