Forgiving ISIS?

[Sunstone]

“It may seem unbelievable to some of your readers, but as a Christian and a Christian minister I have a responsibility to myself and to others to guide them down this path of forgiveness. We don’t forgive the act because the act is heinous. But we do forgive the killers from the depths of our hearts. Otherwise, we would become consumed by anger and hatred. It becomes a spiral of violence that has no place in this world.”

– Bishop Angaelos, general bishop of the Coptic Orthodox Church in the UK

Is it wise to forgive ISIS? Why or why not?

 

[morphesium]

“It may seem unbelievable to some of your readers, but as a Christian and a Christian minister I have a responsibility to myself and to others to guide them down this path of forgiveness. We don’t forgive the act because the act is heinous. But we do forgive the killers from the depths of our hearts. Otherwise, we would become consumed by anger and hatred. It becomes a spiral of violence that has no place in this world.”

– Bishop Angaelos, general bishop of the Coptic Orthodox Church in the UK

Is it wise to forgive ISIS? Why or why not?

In a sense, these ISIS people are trained to be like that. You take any person, train them systematically especially in the name of religion - and they will do all heinous crimes in the name of religion. In this sense, one can forgive them with ones heart, but don't forgive them with ones acts - they should be punished, they should be eliminated, much more importantly their trainers, for if they are forgiven, being religious zealots they will continue massacring innocents. There is no point in torturing them, give them instant and humane death sentence.

 

[Laika]

members of ISIS should be forgiven, but the problem is that in practice that is a really hard thing to do. That true on both an emotional level, and politically- as having former members of ISIS come back to the UK will no doubt make alot of people uneasy, especially the intelligence community. I think the problem is more precisely over how we should go about it, without leaving ourselves open to an abuse of our trust and institutional tolerance.

 

[Augustus]

If forgiving them doesn't prevent you from killing them, then why not. Out of the 2 though, killing them is a much more important and noble deed and should be recognised as such.

 

[SkylarHunter]

“It may seem unbelievable to some of your readers, but as a Christian and a Christian minister I have a responsibility to myself and to others to guide them down this path of forgiveness. We don’t forgive the act because the act is heinous. But we do forgive the killers from the depths of our hearts. Otherwise, we would become consumed by anger and hatred. It becomes a spiral of violence that has no place in this world.”

– Bishop Angaelos, general bishop of the Coptic Orthodox Church in the UK

Is it wise to forgive ISIS? Why or why not?

I don't think they are interested in forgiveness. What they want is to keep torturing and murdering and gaining more power through the use of fear and extreme violence. They goal is to turn the world into a muslim state ruled by their insanity.
If they got their hands on that forgiving bishop they would chop his head off just like they do with the other chirstians they find.

 

[Servant_of_the_One1]

They dont deserve forgiving. Extermination is the only solution for isis and others.

 

[Sees]

I think Bishop Angaelos needs to wake the hell up from his fantasy land. Coptic Christians are one of the religious minorities which least of all should be forgiving groups like ISIS. And the idea that without forgiveness you will be consumed with anger and hatred is always a leap.

Persecution of Copts - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia the type of things they have dealt with just in the last 30 or so years is rather awful

 

[Rival]

I think I would forgive them, kneeling at their mass grave headstone and quote Lord Protector Cromwell, but with some emphasis of my own,

"'Twas a cruel necessity, a cruel necessity...THOU OF UNWED PARENTS!"

 

[DreadFish]

I think forgiving them would be a good exercise in ethics, but it is also probably necessary to eliminate them. ISIS is a destructive element and I think it's in the best interest of everybody, including them, to eliminate them. So, I guess that is to say, eliminate them without malice or hatred; just do the job and have compassion for how mislead and F'ed up they are.

 

[metis]

Is it ok to say "I forgive them but please pass the ammunition"?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Luciferians have no command to forgive. Forgiveness is granted when it is demonstrated that it is earned. IS has only demonstrated that it deserves to be destroyed.

 

[nazz]

“It may seem unbelievable to some of your readers, but as a Christian and a Christian minister I have a responsibility to myself and to others to guide them down this path of forgiveness. We don’t forgive the act because the act is heinous. But we do forgive the killers from the depths of our hearts. Otherwise, we would become consumed by anger and hatred. It becomes a spiral of violence that has no place in this world.”

– Bishop Angaelos, general bishop of the Coptic Orthodox Church in the UK

Is it wise to forgive ISIS? Why or why not?

In the short term maybe not. But in the long run, yes.

 

[LuisDantas]

Forgiveness is a good thing, if it does not encourage further damage.

If ISIS is willing to stop causing damage, it is doing a very good job of hiding that.

Give me reasons to believe that they will stop their violence and show some indication of repentance and then we may talk about that.

 

[kjw47]

“It may seem unbelievable to some of your readers, but as a Christian and a Christian minister I have a responsibility to myself and to others to guide them down this path of forgiveness. We don’t forgive the act because the act is heinous. But we do forgive the killers from the depths of our hearts. Otherwise, we would become consumed by anger and hatred. It becomes a spiral of violence that has no place in this world.”

– Bishop Angaelos, general bishop of the Coptic Orthodox Church in the UK

Is it wise to forgive ISIS? Why or why not?

When Jesus had spikes driven through his flesh--he said--forgive them Father, they know not what they do.


Reality=

the spirit of Jesus= Love,peace,unity- return evil for evil to no one, turn the other cheek, if your enemy is hungry-feed him--if thirsty give him a drink--love your enemy--vengeance is mine said the Lord.

spirit of antichrist- hate, calamity,division--return evil for evil by filling your heart with fear, then hate, then kill your enemy--steal the vengeance for self.

so you are correct--hate the act done but do not return the same or you become the same as them. The spirit of antichrist is being forced down the worlds throats and they don't have a clue. I saw it at 9/11--govt and media filled hearts with hatred and patriotism. and the majority fell for it--and they are being lead to this--rev 16--with 3 9/11 type inspired expressions to grab ahold of hearts, satan misleads every kingdom( govt, armies, supporters) on earth to stand in opposition to Gods king for patriotism. rev 19 shows that as well. this is the not to distant future.

 

[bishblaize]

Forgiveness is about changing your internal state, not changing the external world. The sooner you can forgive, the sooner you can rid yourself of the toxic presence of hate and anger.

That's quite different from forgetting or holding people to account for their actions.

 

[Sees]

Seems forgiveness is as slippery and varied as many religious, spiritual terms.

 

[CMike]

“It may seem unbelievable to some of your readers, but as a Christian and a Christian minister I have a responsibility to myself and to others to guide them down this path of forgiveness. We don’t forgive the act because the act is heinous. But we do forgive the killers from the depths of our hearts. Otherwise, we would become consumed by anger and hatred. It becomes a spiral of violence that has no place in this world.”

– Bishop Angaelos, general bishop of the Coptic Orthodox Church in the UK

Is it wise to forgive ISIS? Why or why not?

Until they ask for and get forgiveness for all the people they tortured and/or murdered they don't get forgiveness.

It's not your place to forgive someone for sins they committed against others.

 

[CMike]

Forgiveness is about changing your internal state, not changing the external world. The sooner you can forgive, the sooner you can rid yourself of the toxic presence of hate and anger.

That's quite different from forgetting or holding people to account for their actions.

Not really. You can manage your feelings as well.

Just because you don't forgive someone doesn't mean it consumes you.

 

[CMike]

Forgiveness is a good thing, if it does not encourage further damage.

If ISIS is willing to stop causing damage, it is doing a very good job of hiding that.

Give me reasons to believe that they will stop their violence and show some indication of repentance and then we may talk about that.

Wow. You wrote something I agree with.

 

[Akivah]

“It may seem unbelievable to some of your readers, but as a Christian and a Christian minister I have a responsibility to myself and to others to guide them down this path of forgiveness. We don’t forgive the act because the act is heinous. But we do forgive the killers from the depths of our hearts. Otherwise, we would become consumed by anger and hatred. It becomes a spiral of violence that has no place in this world.”

Is it wise to forgive ISIS? Why or why not?

I don't understand this rush to forgive people. In Judaism, a sinner must express remorse for their actions before they can be forgiven. What is the point of forgiving people that want to continue their atrocities and don't see anything wrong with their murderous actions?