Four Faces of Ezekiel's Living Creatures vs. Four Forces of Nature

[Yokefellow]

There are Four Fundamentals Forces of Nature...

In physics, the fundamental interactions or fundamental forces are the interactions that do not appear to be reducible to more basic interactions. There are four fundamental interactions known to exist:

1. Gravity
2. Electromagnetism
3. Weak interaction
4. Strong interaction

Fundamental interaction - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

We find this taught in the Old Testament in the famous 'Ezekiel's Wheels' passages...

Ezekiel 1:10
"As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle."

LION
The Bible describes the Lion as POWERFUL...

Daniel 6:27
"He delivereth and rescueth, and he worketh signs and wonders in heaven and in earth, who hath delivered Daniel from the power of the lions"

Note that the word 'Power' in the Bible is the same as our modern word, Electromagnetism. Thus, the Lion would best represent Electromagnetism.

OX
The Bible describes the Ox as STRONG...

Proverbs 14:4
"Where no oxen are, the crib is clean: but much increase is by the strength of the ox"

Thus, the Ox would best represent the Strong Force.

EAGLE
The Bible describes the Eagle as swift. The Eagle can also defy GRAVITY...

Obadiah 1:4
"Though thou exalt thyself as the eagle, and though thou set thy nest among the stars, thence will I bring thee down, saith the LORD"

It is the concept of 'what goes up, must come down'. Thus, the Eagle would best represent Gravity.

MAN
Compared to all the other Creatures, Man is WEAK...

Matthew 26:41
"Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak"

Thus, the Man would best represent the Weak Force.

Summary
The Four Forces of Nature are a perfect match for the Four Faces of the living Creatures of Ezekiel.

Note that the Four Forces pattern is found elsewhere in the Bible, such as in the Book of Revelation...

Revelation 4:6-7
"And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind. And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle."

When One uses the above information to interpret the rest of Ezekiel, what we discover is that the vision describes Quantum Mechanics and Particle Physics within the overall theme of Salvation.

 

[Revoltingest]

What will happen if there are more than 4 fundamental forces?

Scientists may be on brink of discovering fifth force of nature

Experts closing in on potentially identifying new force after surprise wobble of subatomic particle

www.theguardian.com

 

[Yokefellow]

What will happen if there are more than 4 fundamental forces?

Scientists may be on brink of discovering fifth force of nature

Experts closing in on potentially identifying new force after surprise wobble of subatomic particle

www.theguardian.com

I would then update my information as per the Scientific Method.

 

[Yokefellow]

Note that there is a 'Fifth Force' riding the 'Chariot'.

 

[Revoltingest]

I would then update my information as per the Scientific Method.

Would the Bible be updated to have a 5th force.
They already have the lion, calf, man, & eagle.
The 5th could be the weasel.
I'll bet @lewisnotmiller would want the dingo.

 

[Left Coast]

It's almost like you can shoehorn any meaning you want into some ancient highly symbolic text...

 

[McBell]

I would then update my information as per the Scientific Method.

Isn't that a bit backwards?
I mean, if they are in the Bible, they are in the Bible right?

Why is it you needs wait until science finds it to find it in the Bible?

 

[Yokefellow]

Isn't that a bit backwards?
I mean, if they are in the Bible, they are in the Bible right?

It may be in the Bible, however, that does not make me a Particle Physicist.

I can only see what my limited understanding is capable of seeing.

Why is it you needs wait until science finds it to find it in the Bible?

We are not as smart as God. Our eyes are not open to what has been there for thousands of years now.

The more we learn, the more correlations we can see.

 

[Ebionite]

Note that the Four Forces pattern is found elsewhere in the Bible, such as in the Book of Revelation...

Revelation 4:6-7
"And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind. And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle."

The primary symbol here is the lion. The eyes relate to the slain lamb.

"And the first beast was like a lion"
"four beasts full of eyes"

And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.
And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
Revelation 5:5-6

(To the chief Musician upon Aijeleth Shahar, A Psalm of David.) My El, my El, why hast thou forsaken me? [why art thou so] far from helping me, [and from] the words of my roaring?
Psalms 22:1

 

[Yokefellow]

The primary symbol here is the lion. The eyes relate to the slain lamb.

Indeed. The 'Eyes' in Ezekiel's Wheels (and elsewhere in the Bible) are representative of Electrons.

Something like this...

A 'Wheel Within a Wheel' represents two Electron Orbitals or Shells. Many of the building blocks of Life have two 'Wheels'...

• Carbon (666)
• Nitrogen (777)
• Oxygen (888)

Thus, a Lamb with Seven Eyes is describing a Nucleobase, otherwise known as the Word of God and the Seed of Abraham.

Trinity
Father <- Father Abraham
Word <- Slain Lamb (Abraham's Seed) in the loins of Abraham
Holy Ghost <- Electromagnetism

They are 'Three', yet they are 'One' on the Throne.

Note that God in his highest (non-physical) form exists outside as the Consuming Fire...

Zechariah 2:5
For I, saith the LORD, will be unto her a wall of fire round about, and will be the glory in the midst of her.

And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

The Book with Seven Seals represents a type of Seed Bank in the form of Genetic Sequences (Kingdom of God/Heaven).

Since the Lamb represents a Nucleobase, it is the only one that can 'loose' the Seals to the Book of Genomes. We are looking at Pair Bonding here.

And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.
Revelation 5:5-6

Seven Eyes = Nitrogen. Slain Lamb also means Blood of Christ... synonymous with DNA/Seed etc.

Nitrogen Bases are the Word of God in all Life.

Air is mostly Nitrogen...

Job 27:3
"All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils"

(To the chief Musician upon Aijeleth Shahar, A Psalm of David.) My El, my El, why hast thou forsaken me? [why art thou so] far from helping me, [and from] the words of my roaring?
Psalms 22:1

Kenosis.

The Word is purified seven times.

Note that Uracil is sacrificed in DNA and becomes Thymine.

The Bible is ultimately a book of Salvation (Eugenics) and the process by which that occurs.

 

[Yokefellow]

I should add that the Four Beasts in Revelation are also the Four Faces in Ezekiel and *not* the Living Creatures themselves.

The Four Faces/Four Beasts provide the Electricity (Lightning) and other Forces (Thunderings) that make the 'Heart Throne' beat...

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The entire Throne Room scene is Paradise or 'Kingdom of God Within', represented as Father Abraham's Bosom...

2 Corinthians 12:4
"How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter."

The Saved are asleep in Abraham's Bosom until the Marriage Supper of the Lamb (Abraham's Seed) to Sarah's Tree of Life Ovary...

The Marriage is 'consummated' when the Phallus of Mount Zion penetrates the Womb of Sarah (New Jerusalem) as she descends.

 

[Yokefellow]

Paul heard 'unspeakable Words' that he is not allowed to utter.

Yes, because the 'Words' are part of the Genetic Sequence that eliminates Death and Sin...

Zechariah 3:9
"For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the LORD of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day."

Again, the Seed of Abraham... aka... the Blood of the Lamb is a special Genetic Sequence that will 'upgrade' Man one day...

 

[Ebionite]

Thus, a Lamb with Seven Eyes is describing a Nucleobase, otherwise known as the Word of God and the Seed of Abraham.

You're ignoring the point about prophetic support:

The idea that Christ is the seed isn't supported by by the prophets:

They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will I lead them: I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, wherein they shall not stumble: for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim [is] my firstborn.
Jeremiah 31:9

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

There are Four Fundamentals Forces of Nature...

In physics, the fundamental interactions or fundamental forces are the interactions that do not appear to be reducible to more basic interactions. There are four fundamental interactions known to exist:

1. Gravity
2. Electromagnetism
3. Weak interaction
4. Strong interaction

Fundamental interaction - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

We find this taught in the Old Testament in the famous 'Ezekiel's Wheels' passages...

Ezekiel 1:10
"As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle."

LION
The Bible describes the Lion as POWERFUL...

Daniel 6:27
"He delivereth and rescueth, and he worketh signs and wonders in heaven and in earth, who hath delivered Daniel from the power of the lions"

Note that the word 'Power' in the Bible is the same as our modern word, Electromagnetism. Thus, the Lion would best represent Electromagnetism.

OX
The Bible describes the Ox as STRONG...

Proverbs 14:4
"Where no oxen are, the crib is clean: but much increase is by the strength of the ox"

Thus, the Ox would best represent the Strong Force.

EAGLE
The Bible describes the Eagle as swift. The Eagle can also defy GRAVITY...

Obadiah 1:4
"Though thou exalt thyself as the eagle, and though thou set thy nest among the stars, thence will I bring thee down, saith the LORD"

It is the concept of 'what goes up, must come down'. Thus, the Eagle would best represent Gravity.

MAN
Compared to all the other Creatures, Man is WEAK...

Matthew 26:41
"Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak"

Thus, the Man would best represent the Weak Force.

Summary
The Four Forces of Nature are a perfect match for the Four Faces of the living Creatures of Ezekiel.

Note that the Four Forces pattern is found elsewhere in the Bible, such as in the Book of Revelation...

Revelation 4:6-7
"And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind. And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle."

When One uses the above information to interpret the rest of Ezekiel, what we discover is that the vision describes Quantum Mechanics and Particle Physics within the overall theme of Salvation.

The proper term for what you are doing here, and in your further posts in this thread, is eisegesis, "the interpretation of a text by reading into it one's own ideas." What you are reading in is NOT in the Bible, nor is it even reasonable to suppose that anything even remotely like it was in the mind of the author(s) of the texts you so blatently misinterpret.

 

[Yokefellow]

The vision of Ezekiel begins with Ezekiel looking at whirling Electrons...

Ezekiel 1:4
"And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire."

The Key word in the above verse is 'Amber'. That is where we get the modern word for Electron...

"Both electric and electricity are derived from the Latin ēlectrum (also the root of the alloy of the same name), which came from the Greek word for amber, (ēlektron)."

Electron - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Ezekiel was literally looking at Electrons.

 

[Ebionite]

The proper term for what you are doing here, and in your further posts in this thread, is eisegesis, "the interpretation of a text by reading into it one's own ideas." What you are reading in is NOT in the Bible, nor is it even reasonable to suppose that anything even remotely like it was in the mind of the author(s) of the texts you so blatently misinterpret.

To be fair, the same could be said of the texts which are regarded as canonical by some. Also, the prophets sometimes said that they didn't understand the meaning of the vision or words that they received.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

To be fair, the same could be said of the texts which are regarded as canonical by some. Also, the prophets sometimes said that they didn't understand the meaning of the vision or words that they received.

Well, if the prophets themselves didn't understand the meaning of what the experienced, why would we suppose somebody today, more than 2 millenia later, would be able to do so?

 

[McBell]

It may be in the Bible, however, that does not make me a Particle Physicist.

I can only see what my limited understanding is capable of seeing.

Fair enough.

So who showed it to you?

We are not as smart as God. Our eyes are not open to what has been there for thousands of years now.

The more we learn, the more correlations we can see.

One wonders how you will explain the claim of only four if there is a fifth one found...
Did God forget to mention it?

 

[Ebionite]

Well, if the prophets themselves didn't understand the meaning of what the experienced, why would we suppose somebody today, more than 2 millenia later, would be able to do so?

Because we have the benefits of a technological society that enables us to glean information from a variety of sources, some of them being experts in their field.

 

[Twilight Hue]

There are Four Fundamentals Forces of Nature...

In physics, the fundamental interactions or fundamental forces are the interactions that do not appear to be reducible to more basic interactions. There are four fundamental interactions known to exist:

1. Gravity
2. Electromagnetism
3. Weak interaction
4. Strong interaction

Fundamental interaction - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

We find this taught in the Old Testament in the famous 'Ezekiel's Wheels' passages...

Ezekiel 1:10
"As for the likeness of their faces, they four had the face of a man, and the face of a lion, on the right side: and they four had the face of an ox on the left side; they four also had the face of an eagle."

LION
The Bible describes the Lion as POWERFUL...

Daniel 6:27
"He delivereth and rescueth, and he worketh signs and wonders in heaven and in earth, who hath delivered Daniel from the power of the lions"

Note that the word 'Power' in the Bible is the same as our modern word, Electromagnetism. Thus, the Lion would best represent Electromagnetism.

OX
The Bible describes the Ox as STRONG...

Proverbs 14:4
"Where no oxen are, the crib is clean: but much increase is by the strength of the ox"

Thus, the Ox would best represent the Strong Force.

EAGLE
The Bible describes the Eagle as swift. The Eagle can also defy GRAVITY...

Obadiah 1:4
"Though thou exalt thyself as the eagle, and though thou set thy nest among the stars, thence will I bring thee down, saith the LORD"

It is the concept of 'what goes up, must come down'. Thus, the Eagle would best represent Gravity.

MAN
Compared to all the other Creatures, Man is WEAK...

Matthew 26:41
"Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation: the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak"

Thus, the Man would best represent the Weak Force.

Summary
The Four Forces of Nature are a perfect match for the Four Faces of the living Creatures of Ezekiel.

Note that the Four Forces pattern is found elsewhere in the Bible, such as in the Book of Revelation...

Revelation 4:6-7
"And before the throne there was a sea of glass like unto crystal: and in the midst of the throne, and round about the throne, were four beasts full of eyes before and behind. And the first beast was like a lion, and the second beast like a calf, and the third beast had a face as a man, and the fourth beast was like a flying eagle."

When One uses the above information to interpret the rest of Ezekiel, what we discover is that the vision describes Quantum Mechanics and Particle Physics within the overall theme of Salvation.

I love Christian apologetics. So creative and desperate to 'prove' things in any way possible.