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Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution and Abortion

Truth in love

Well-Known Member
actually reincarnation is biblical.

i told you the exact word. it is used twice in the NT regeneration. you can click on the word. it will take you to the Strongs definition. Also, the word reincarnation wasn't coined until the late 1800s. prior to that the word was palingenesis, or metempsychosis.

jesus said john the baptist was the spirit of elijah. john the baptist said he wasn't elijah. both are true. the personality doesn't reincarnate. the spirit reincarnates as different/multiple personalities.

john 9:2 talks about the boy being born blind. he couldn't have sinned unless he'd been born before. jesus said he chose to be born blind to magnify god by jesus' miracle.


the holy spirit is love. it's isn't unusual for a body to react to a mind or spirited state.


however, it doesn't tell you that the lord came to visit Elizabeth it says the mother of the lord.


when jesus called to lazarus to come out of the tomb. he had been dead. the spirit can vacate the body and return to it later. this is what is happening with NDEs


Jesus said john the baptist was the spirit of elijah. john the baptist said he wasn't elijah. both are true. the personality doesn't reincarnate. the spirit reincarnates as different/multiple personalities.

john 9:2 talks about the boy being born blind. he couldn't have sinned unless he'd been born before. jesus said he chose to be born blind to magnify god by jesus' miracle.


the holy spirit is love. it's isn't unusual for a body to react to a mind or spirited state.


however, it doesn't tell you that the lord came to visit Elizabeth it says the mother of the lord.


when jesus called to lazarus to come out of the tomb. he had been dead. the spirit can vacate the body and return to it later. this is what is happening with NDEs[/QUOTE]


Matthew 19:
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name’s sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

30 But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.

Clearly this is about the after life.


Titus 3:
3 For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.

4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,

5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Again eternal life and salvation concepts not reincarnation.

John 9:2 does not teach reincarnation. It does teach that we lived before birth. Really not the same concept.

Can you cite the verse where "Jesus said john the baptist was the spirit of elijah."? I can't find it.

The visit of Mary and Elizabeth indicates that John was aware of something before birth.

paliggenesia works out to being born again a phrase that occurs about 21 times in the NT. A great many references references to dying and spiritual rebirth occur. It does not teach reincarnation.
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
There are tens of interviews and speeches given by her, on YT
And I have no way to substantiate any of them (or any particular reason to take an anti-choice activist at their word).

Edit: even if I were to consider her trustworthy, I don't think that she would be in a position to speak from personal experience about events that happened before she was born.
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
And I have no way to substantiate any of them (or any particular reason to take an anti-choice activist at their word).

Edit: even if I were to consider her trustworthy, I don't think that she would be in a position to speak from personal experience about events that happened before she was born.

That was a particular case.
So are you saying that all the late term abortions performed in the United States were of unhealthy babies/mothers?
So no late term abortion involved 100% healthy babies?
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Matthew 19:
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

29 And every one that hath forsaken houses, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my name’s sake, shall receive an hundredfold, and shall inherit everlasting life.

30 But many that are first shall be last; and the last shall be first.

Clearly this is about the after life.
either the bible is errant or the word being used is valid. you believe what ever you want. you're going to anyway. but reincarnation was not anything new to 1st century jews. literally in john 3:5

he is referring to exactly how things were materially created in genesis 1:2, or spirit and water. so he is literally telling them that they must be born again and in a new body.


Titus 3:
3 For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another.

4 But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,

5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour;

7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Again eternal life and salvation concepts not reincarnation.

John 9:2 does not teach reincarnation. It does teach that we lived before birth. Really not the same concept.

Can you cite the verse where "Jesus said john the baptist was the spirit of elijah."? I can't find it.

The visit of Mary and Elizabeth indicates that John was aware of something before birth.

paliggenesia works out to being born again a phrase that occurs about 21 times in the NT. A great many references references to dying and spiritual rebirth occur. It does not teach reincarnation.


again you're going to believe what ever you want but the word regeneration literally means transmigration of the soul.
 
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Truth in love

Well-Known Member
either the bible is errant or the word being used is valid. you believe what ever you want. you're going to anyway. but reincarnation was not anything new to 1st century jews. literally in john 3:5

he is referring to exactly how things were materially created in genesis 1:2, or spirit and water. so he is literally telling them that they must be born again and in a new body.





again you're going to believe what ever you want but the word regeneration literally means transmigration of the soul.


Yes I will believe in God, I will believe the Bible and I will believe in protecting innocent human life.
 

Truth in love

Well-Known Member
You can't kill the spirit. Only the body
Yes but if we take your theory of non innocent reincarnation (pretty sure if you mess up much you get degraded below human at least in Hinduism). How do you know which body to kill?
 
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