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Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution and Abortion

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
"I'm expecting you" to turn into a rational, liberal, secular humanist. Does that mean you already are, we just don't see it yet?
I'm sure there would be a wide variety of applications... depending on how u use it.
 

Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
I was not talking about weight gain. A federal welfare system counts JR for need assessments before birth.

Ss for the Bible. Jer 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

John 9:2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?

It’s quite clear that the biblical view is that life does not begin at birth.
the needs are for the mother. the fetus needs the mother. it doesn't eat food.

jeremiah 1:5 speaks of the spirit before it possesses/inhabits the flesh. that posession doesn't take place until a few hours before or after birth but is associated with the breath of life.

john 9:2 speaks to reincarnation and karma.

fyi regeneration literally means palingenesis. so then a spirit entering chooses the form it wants to take for it's experience on earth as john 9:2 explains.
 

Truth in love

Well-Known Member
the needs are for the mother. the fetus needs the mother. it doesn't eat food.

jeremiah 1:5 speaks of the spirit before it possesses/inhabits the flesh. that posession doesn't take place until a few hours before or after birth but is associated with the breath of life.

john 9:2 speaks to reincarnation and karma.

fyi regeneration literally means palingenesis. so then a spirit entering chooses the form it wants to take for it's experience on earth as john 9:2 explains.
Reincarnation is not Biblical, so pretty sure that is not it.

Also Luke 1:41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:


mom needs food. We agree on that. Why is jr counted?
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
But "i'm expecting you" didn't mean that you weren't there or weren't alive... I just couldn't see you at the moment. :)
It means that the thing being expected isn't there right now. Context would tell us whether this is because the thing exists but is just somewhere else (e.g. expecting your aunt to visit) or doesn't exist at all yet (e.g. expecting your degree once you graduate).

When a pregnant person says they're expecting a baby, do you think that they're trying to say that baby is someplace else and they're just waiting for it to arrive (by stork, presumably)?

Think hard.
 
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Fool

ALL in all
Premium Member
Reincarnation is not Biblical, so pretty sure that is not it.

Also Luke 1:41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:


mom needs food. We agree on that. Why is jr counted?
actually reincarnation is biblical.

i told you the exact word. it is used twice in the NT regeneration. you can click on the word. it will take you to the Strongs definition. Also, the word reincarnation wasn't coined until the late 1800s. prior to that the word was palingenesis, or metempsychosis.

jesus said john the baptist was the spirit of elijah. john the baptist said he wasn't elijah. both are true. the personality doesn't reincarnate. the spirit reincarnates as different/multiple personalities.

john 9:2 talks about the boy being born blind. he couldn't have sinned unless he'd been born before. jesus said he chose to be born blind to magnify god by jesus' miracle.


the holy spirit is love. it's isn't unusual for a body to react to a mind or spirited state.


however, it doesn't tell you that the lord came to visit Elizabeth it says the mother of the lord.


when jesus called to lazarus to come out of the tomb. he had been dead. the spirit can vacate the body and return to it later. this is what is happening with NDEs
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
That sounds extremely black & white.

It is not. Because women can have an abortion. Within the 15th week.

The United States is black and white because there are states like California where newborns are practically murdered (saline abortions even at the 36th week)....whereas in Ohio abortion is not possible not even at the first week.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
It is not. Because women can have an abortion. Within the 15th week.

The United States is black and white because there are states like California where newborns are practically murdered (saline abortions even at the 36th week)....whereas in Ohio abortion is not possible not even at the first week.
Calling a fetus a "newborn" is etymological mischief.
 

RabbiO

הרב יונה בן זכריה
Universal human rights?

*proceeds to exit thread*
Only when he was closer to the exit did he realize that it was not his staff key to thread exits that he had brought in with him, it was his car keys!

@Harel13 sighed. It was going to be a long night, especially if RabbiO kept editing this post.
 
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lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
person
pûr′sən
noun
  1. A living human. Often used in combination.
  2. An individual of specified character.
  3. The composite of characteristics that make up an individual personality; the self.

It seems like it fits the person of a baby in the womb?

Perhaps less so a zygote. It's rare to hear someone say 'You know, that zygote has a particularly sharp sense of humour.'
And let's face it, they ALL dress the same.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
When you have a ";" and the word "nor" - I understand that to be a different thought and application.

No...there'd still be a connection between the two, else they'd be both seperate sentences and seperate paragraphs.

In case you're interested..
Semicolon
 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
person
pûr′sən
noun
  1. A living human. Often used in combination.
  2. An individual of specified character.
  3. The composite of characteristics that make up an individual personality; the self.

It seems like it fits the person of a baby in the womb?
So then we should all tack on another 9 months to our lives. Kids born today onward can start getting their driver's licenses and joining the army nine months' earlier since we're calculating our ages from the moment of conception now, right?

I just learned something new the other day that I found very interesting ... A friend of mine had a baby that was born about two months' premature, give or take a week (it had to be done via C-section) and had to be kept in an incubator for all that time so he could continue developing fully. That was about 10 months ago now. So I said something to him to that effect just yesterday "oh congrats your boy is 10 months old now" or something like that. What he told me was that no, his son is only considered 8 months old, because his age is calculated from the date he was supposed to be born into the world, rather than the date he was prematurely brought into the world. And I've been thinking about that ever since.
 
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lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
you definitely are an atheist if you associate matter as the creator of spirit, mind, consciousness. if so then matter is greater than spirit.

Erm. He's not an atheist. And this isn't the point of the thread.
 
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