Fox News

[sun rise]

Is fox news mostly a witch hunt and propaganda generator?


avoiding the real issues while trying to create a diversion about anything and everything else?

Occasionally we see actual news along with what is the equivalent of the Chinese Communist Party propaganda outlet.

 

[esmith]

Bias of any news media, note I said "news" media not "opinion" media is predicated on a person's own bias.
If a news media reports on something that is against their own personal bias they will then have a bias against that news media and their staff even though the "news": is factual.
Now it can and probably will influence a persons bias against a news media on how the "news" was presented even though the "news" is factual.

 

[metis]

I think they have more viewers because people got tired of the Radical Left Wing Liberals.... Moderate viewers are split among a few.

They're the largest of the cable networks, but some seem to conveniently forget that there are channels like MSNBC, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS NewsHour, for us "Radical Left-Wing Liberals".

BTW, I actually am more of a conservative than probably some self-proclaimed "conservatives" here, as I'm a fiscal conservative who strongly believes in balancing the budget except in cases of national emergency, plus I'm ideally more of a political conservative that puts more emphasis on putting more power in the hands of local government, in cooperation with both business and labor, thus similar to what Gandhi had proposed. But since the latter is not possible under our Constitution plus current situations in general, I tend to be more liberal than many here.

Conservatism is not being reflected by this administration, whose tax cuts favored the wealthy (over 80% went to millionaires and billionaires) and passing a terribly unbalanced budget. On top of that, Trump is not in favor of having more state's rights, nor is he in any way a social conservative. But what he is good at is pandering to the right, and that approach is what he actually bragged about in "The Art of the Deal", whereas he stated that he would do almost anything to "seal the deal".

Thus, based on these facts, any defender of Trump simply is not a conservative-- they only think they are, sorry to say.

 

[tytlyf]

Is fox news mostly a witch hunt and propaganda generator?
avoiding the real issues while trying to create a diversion about anything and everything else?

Of course. Fox is the republican establishment's' way of reaching voters. Panic mongering and scare tactics are used all day long, every day.
The capitalist elitists understand that the more frightened a voter is the more likely they'll ignore facts.
Conspiracy theories, spin, deception happens on a daily basis.

No other journalistic outlet does what Fox does. Lot's of information on the web about Fox and it's history. The people it employs, the republican establishment (Karl Rove), etc.

The sad part is the people who like Fox don't realize the elitists are actually taking advantage of them. By playing the "conservative card" the elitists are tricking people into voting for corporate policy

 

[Kenny]

They're the largest of the cable networks, but some seem to conveniently forget that there are channels like MSNBC, CNN, ABC, NBC, CBS, PBS NewsHour, for us "Radical Left-Wing Liberals".

BTW, I actually am more of a conservative than probably some self-proclaimed "conservatives" here, 1 as I'm a fiscal conservative who strongly believes in balancing the budget except in cases of national emergency, plus I'm ideally more of a political conservative 2 that puts more emphasis on putting more power in the hands of local government, in cooperation with both business and labor, thus similar to what Gandhi had proposed. 3 But since the latter is not possible under our Constitution plus current situations in general, I tend to be more liberal than many here.

4 Conservatism is not being reflected by this administration, 5 whose tax cuts favored the wealthy (over 80% went to millionaires and billionaires) and passing a terribly unbalanced budget. 6 On top of that, Trump is not in favor of having more state's rights, 7 nor is he in any way a social conservative. But what he is good at is pandering to the right, and that approach is what he actually bragged about in "The Art of the Deal", whereas he stated that he would do almost anything to "seal the deal".

Thus, based on these facts, any defender of Trump simply is not a conservative-- they only think they are, sorry to say.

There is very much we agree on, Metis.

But, to set things straight, you are a Republican in Democratic sheep skin.

1) Agreed
2) Agreed
3) I think it is possible - it was basically State right over Federal rights
4) True
5) I think that is a play on numbers more than it is true.
6) Agreed
7) Need a definition.

So lookie here... there is agreement between left and right. Maybe the terms left and right are used just to create division?

 

[metis]

3) I think it is possible - it was basically State right over Federal rights

But I would prefer more local even over state. Maybe we can talk about this in more detail later if you're interested.

BTW, are you familiar with Gandhi's approach on this? The economist E. F. Schumacher based his book "Small Is Beautiful: Economics As If People Mattered" on his approach

BTW, I've been trying to convince my wife of this, but to no avail.

5) I think that is a play on numbers more than it is true.

Nope. Far more went to large companies/corporations than to smaller businesses. We can also discuss this more fully if you're interested

7) Need a definition.

OK, how about committing adultery, having a prostitute, groping women, appearing in a porn movie, bragging about his penis size, etc.? There's a lot more where that came from, btw.

Also, Trump panders a lot, so he went from being "pro-choice" to miraculously becoming "pro-life" just before deciding to run on the Republican ticket. Gee, what a "convenient" conversion that was. Based on his other words and actions, do you really think he's actually "pro-life"?

So lookie here... there is agreement between left and right. Maybe the terms left and right are used just to create division?

Ah, thus in this case at least, i'm right and you're left [in the dark].

 

[Kenny]

But I would prefer more local even over state. Maybe we can talk about this in more detail later if you're interested.

BTW, are you familiar with Gandhi's approach on this? The economist E. F. Schumacher based his book "Small Is Beautiful: Economics As If People Mattered" on his approach BTW, I've been trying to convince my wife of this, but to no avail.

I would be interested but not for discussion. In theory, I like the idea. Implementation... well....

Nope. Far more went to large companies/corporations than to smaller businesses. We can also discuss this more fully if you're interested

I thought we were talking about personal income. I'm not up to snuff with business tax rates. Interested.

OK, how about committing adultery, having a prostitute, groping women, appearing in a porn movie, bragging about his penis size, etc.? There's a lot more where that came from, btw.

Also, Trump panders a lot, so he went from being "pro-choice" to miraculously being "pro-life" just before deciding to run on the Republican ticket. What a "convenient" conversion that was. Based on his other words and actions, do you really think he's actually "pro-life"?

Can't argue about his past. Then again, King David repented and Saul became Paul (eternal optimist?)

Ah, thus in this case at least, i'm right and you're left [in the dark].

WAIT A MINUTE!!!! I"M ON THE RIGHT! Even when I am wrong.

 

[Sunstone]

I'm going by memory here (because I don't have much time for these debates anymore), but....

Of all the major networks, both cable and broadcast, Fox News has been discovered in no less than four to six scientific studies to lead the others in misinforming the public. In at least one or two of those studies it was found that heavy or exclusive Fox viewers end up more poorly informed than even people who pay little or no attention to the news from any source, let alone from a competitor to Fox.

If I have not correctly recalled the studies, please correct me.

 

[Kenny]

I'm going by memory here (because I don't have much time for these debates anymore), but....

Of all the major networks, both cable and broadcast, Fox News has been discovered in no less than four to six scientific studies to lead the others in misinforming the public. In at least one or two of those studies it was found that heavy or exclusive Fox viewers end up more poorly informed than even people who pay little or no attention to the news from any source, let alone from a competitor to Fox.

If I have not correctly recalled the studies, please correct me.

Prepared by left-leaning outlets

but I did find this:

• Overall, we rate Fox News strongly Right-Biased due to editorial positions and story selection that favors the right. We also rate them Mixed factually and borderline Questionable based on poor sourcing and the spreading of conspiracy theories that later must be retracted after being widely shared. Further, Fox News would be rated a Questionable source based on numerous failed fact checks by hosts and pundits, however straight news reporting is generally reliable, therefore we rate them Mixed for factual reporting.

"Editorial" - doesn't count
"Stories selection" - vs what stories?
"Conspiracy" - ok... they might be heavy on this... but later retracted - but sometimes right (today's Obama-gate)
STRAIGHT NEWS - GENERALLY RELIABLE!

I like that

Fox News - Media Bias/Fact Check

 

[metis]

Then again, King David repented and Saul became Paul (eternal optimist?)

Have you heard Trump repent? And why would would one assume as such with his past record, such as:
Veracity of statements by Donald Trump - Wikipedia

Racial views of Donald Trump - Wikipedia

List of lawsuits involving Donald Trump - Wikipedia

Wiki is not a partisan source, plus there are links that one can look up citing the source.

WAIT A MINUTE!!!! I"M ON THE RIGHT! Even when I am wrong.

You are so confused.

OK, to get this all straightened out, when they come to take you away, which side of the wagon do they usually put you on? Is it in the direction of your left hand or your right hand?

Oh, but what if you don't know which hand is which? Hmmm.

OK, if you stand looking north, in the direction of which hand does the sun first appear?

Oh, wait a minute? Do you know north from south?

I'm stuck.

 

[tytlyf]

"Conspiracy" - ok... they might be heavy on this... but later retracted - but sometimes right (today's Obama-gate)

Fox doesn't retract. They hope you forget. Fox doesn't apologize either. If you know who Roger Ailes was, that's the policy.
Obamagate is another fabricated nothing Berger. Please keep your conspiracies from your RW gossip queens to yourself.

 

[ecco]

The Fox Network, like the other media networks, is a profit generator. That is it's one and only purpose for existing: to generate as much profit as possible. And the way it generates it's profit is by creating stories that people like to see presented to them; as news, as entertainment, as political commentary, or sexual titillation, or as whatever else, so that Fox can then sell our visual attention to advertisers, for money. Everything you see on Fox (and on the other networks) between the ads is intended to keep you paying attention until the next set of ads. And that's it. It is not intended to inform, or to be realistic, or to be honest, or to be smart, or to be anything but interesting enough to keep you watching until they can put that next set of advertisements in front of you, for you to look at. And so they can get paid.

That's it.

That's all any of the tv networks exist to do.

So we need to stop pretending to ourselves that the "news" is news. Or that the political "opinions" are informed. Or that the conflict we're being presented is real. Because it's ALL sensationalized BS! Created to keep us watching those advertisements.

RE: Or that the conflict we're being presented is real

The conflict is very real.

• Comments by health care workers pleading for social distancing are real.
• Videos of people crowding bars are real.
• Comments by Governors slowly opening businesses are real.
• Comments by Trump saying he wants Governors acting more swiftly are rea.
• Videos of armed Trump supporters protesting State Capitals are real.
• Infectious medicine experts saying hydroxychloroquine is unproven and can be dangerous is real.
• Trump stating that he has been taking hydroxychloroquine is real.

This stuff is not manufactured by networks needing viewers. This is real stuff passed on to viewers by networks.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I prefer to watch the news as it is actually happening. All the spin in the world won't change what I heard and saw.

Which is why Trump gives up on Live interviews, and even walks out of them when the questions are not what he wants.