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Francis stirs it up once again

pearl

Well-Known Member
I can hear the opposition now, 'will he ever stop, I no longer recognize 'my' church.
We don't even have women deacons yet, do we? Yet he remains adamant there can
be no ordination to the priesthood.

Ever since the Second Vatican Council, popes have summoned the world’s bishops to Rome for a few weeks at a time to debate particular topics. At the end of the meetings, the bishops vote on specific proposals and put them to the pope, who then produces a document taking their views into account.
Until now, the only people who could vote were men.

Explaining the change in synod membership, Cardinal Hollerich explained that while in the past, 10 clerics belonging to Institutes of Consecrated Life and elected by the respective organizations representing the superiors general could participate in the synod, this is no longer the case. Instead of 10 clerics, these groups will now be represented by “five women religious and five men religious,” and “as members of the synod, they will have the right to vote.”

Instead, “an additional 70 non-bishop members have been added who represent various groupings of the faithful, of the people of God [priests, consecrated women, deacons, lay faithful] and who come from the local churches.” These will be chosen by Pope Francis from a list of 140 names presented to him by the seven international reunions of bishops’ conferences and the assembly of the patriarchs of Eastern Catholic Churches. The cardinal said that Francis requested that “50 percent of them be women, and that the presence of young people also be emphasized [in choosing these members].” All 70 will have a right to vote.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
I can hear the opposition now, 'will he ever stop, I no longer recognize 'my' church.
We don't even have women deacons yet, do we? Yet he remains adamant there can
be no ordination to the priesthood.

Ever since the Second Vatican Council, popes have summoned the world’s bishops to Rome for a few weeks at a time to debate particular topics. At the end of the meetings, the bishops vote on specific proposals and put them to the pope, who then produces a document taking their views into account.
Until now, the only people who could vote were men.

Explaining the change in synod membership, Cardinal Hollerich explained that while in the past, 10 clerics belonging to Institutes of Consecrated Life and elected by the respective organizations representing the superiors general could participate in the synod, this is no longer the case. Instead of 10 clerics, these groups will now be represented by “five women religious and five men religious,” and “as members of the synod, they will have the right to vote.”

Instead, “an additional 70 non-bishop members have been added who represent various groupings of the faithful, of the people of God [priests, consecrated women, deacons, lay faithful] and who come from the local churches.” These will be chosen by Pope Francis from a list of 140 names presented to him by the seven international reunions of bishops’ conferences and the assembly of the patriarchs of Eastern Catholic Churches. The cardinal said that Francis requested that “50 percent of them be women, and that the presence of young people also be emphasized [in choosing these members].” All 70 will have a right to vote.
Another very modest incremental step. But while it is easy to mock the lack of progress, the important thing in my view is that, having made this change, no future pope will dare to undo the change. So it will effectively be locked in, to be followed in due course by the next incremental step, once some more crabby old cardinals have died off.:cool:
 

pearl

Well-Known Member
So it will effectively be locked in, to be followed in due course by the next incremental step, once some more crabby old cardinals have died off.:cool:

He has certainly been 'stacking the deck' when it comes to appointing the 'right thinking' cardinals to voting status in the next enclave.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
He has certainly been 'stacking the deck' when it comes to appointing the 'right thinking' cardinals to voting status in the next enclave.
He's got a long way to go though, considering the age profile. A bit rebalancing towards younger views is no bad thing, if the church is to retain any appeal for people under 60. And frankly given the paucity of vocations, smoothing the path for more women to take on roles in the church has to be helpful.
 

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
I can hear the opposition now, 'will he ever stop, I no longer recognize 'my' church.
We don't even have women deacons yet, do we? Yet he remains adamant there can
be no ordination to the priesthood.

Ever since the Second Vatican Council, popes have summoned the world’s bishops to Rome for a few weeks at a time to debate particular topics. At the end of the meetings, the bishops vote on specific proposals and put them to the pope, who then produces a document taking their views into account.
Until now, the only people who could vote were men.

Explaining the change in synod membership, Cardinal Hollerich explained that while in the past, 10 clerics belonging to Institutes of Consecrated Life and elected by the respective organizations representing the superiors general could participate in the synod, this is no longer the case. Instead of 10 clerics, these groups will now be represented by “five women religious and five men religious,” and “as members of the synod, they will have the right to vote.”

Instead, “an additional 70 non-bishop members have been added who represent various groupings of the faithful, of the people of God [priests, consecrated women, deacons, lay faithful] and who come from the local churches.” These will be chosen by Pope Francis from a list of 140 names presented to him by the seven international reunions of bishops’ conferences and the assembly of the patriarchs of Eastern Catholic Churches. The cardinal said that Francis requested that “50 percent of them be women, and that the presence of young people also be emphasized [in choosing these members].” All 70 will have a right to vote.
It's about time!!!
 
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