May be. But that does not matter. They had different work to do and Godel's work is as breathtaking as beauty of nature, IMO. I will also suggest a reading of the linked Scientific American article.
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Free Will and an Open Mind
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May be. But that does not matter. They had different work to do and Godel's work is as breathtaking as beauty of nature, IMO. I will also suggest a reading of the linked Scientific American article.
Framing math as limited in a mathmatical proof is rather remarkable I cant disagree on that. Of the implications are totally ignored because of the nature of the region of the brain it is addressing and its natural tendencies.
The blue is all that can be accomplished within the system. The red part is wisdom. And in this regard, Godel himself said “It is possible that] the human mind (in the realm of pure mathematics) is equivalent to a finite machine that, however, is unable to understand completely its own functioning.”
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As far as the concept of an 'open mind,' it is a questionable romantic illusion of libertarian free will, may be considered possible as potential free will at best in the concept of compatibilism
a close mind can only grasp what it is already grasping on to.
joe1776
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Did Carl leave behind instructions on how to do that?
Vague anecdotal 'truisms' do not justify the difference between an open and closed mind.
I actually agree very very cautiously, but the vague generalizations far do not reflect reality. I believe by far most claims of an open mind are bogus, and have too many underlying unspoken provisos that narrow the mind.
Nope... ha ha.
Yes.
That's fate, not free will.
osgart
Nothing my eye, Something for sure
Outwardly we are determined by the environment and circumstances. Inwardly we are either slaves to our own minds intentions, or free in the truth of our convictions.
The unconscious mind is the sum total of all we have learned, and everything that effects us up until this point. The conscious mind must deal with the unconscious at times of reflection. I would say with free will we always have a choice as to how we respond to absolutely everything. Perhaps the difference between free will and a deterministic will, is what knowledge we hold as wisdom.
A pawn or truly free depends mostly on what we are affected by, and how we choose to deal with it.
To me free will is something you have to attain to. It won't always happen naturally. To me it's always been a matter of heart.
The unconscious mind is the sum total of all we have learned, and everything that effects us up until this point. The conscious mind must deal with the unconscious at times of reflection. I would say with free will we always have a choice as to how we respond to absolutely everything. Perhaps the difference between free will and a deterministic will, is what knowledge we hold as wisdom.
A pawn or truly free depends mostly on what we are affected by, and how we choose to deal with it.
To me free will is something you have to attain to. It won't always happen naturally. To me it's always been a matter of heart.
His was a self induced acid trip, from a crisis! So hell no he didn't leave instructions. That's exactly what happened to buddha as well. It's also suddenly getting into the area of asking an artist "how did you do that where did that come from?" i saw an old bob dylan interview 1965 and that was asked.
In my understanding, it is layered. For the ego-mind, bound to a body, neither the mind nor the will is boundless. Once an act of will is executed, the results are deterministic and binding.
However, scripture teaches us that the true will-mind pervades all forms but is distinct from the forms and is not affected by phenomenal changes, since it abides as a mere seer. Meditation practices are exercises that help to bring the seer to the fore.
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QuestioningMind
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Clearly there are limits to free will, since I cannot will myself to be ten feet tall.
Electra
Active Member
maybe in a separate experience you can be 10 feet tall , time is cyclical.
allfoak
Alchemist
One must account for predestination.
One is only boundless in that we can make any choice we want within the boundaries that we have created for ourselves.
Breaking free of these boundaries is possible only through extraordinary effort.
QuestioningMind
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Uh yeah... perhaps if things were not how they are they'd be otherwise.
ThePainefulTruth
Romantic-Cynic
No. Free will only applies to moral choices, not the violation of natural law. And an open mind should only apply to things other than certain knowledge.
love cannot be bound, nor light contained
“I understand now that boundaries between noise and sound are conventions. All boundaries are conventions, waiting to be transcended. One may transcend any convention if only one can first conceive of doing so.”
― David Mitchell, Cloud Atlas