Free Will and the Soul/Spirit.

[Willamena]

"Gotcha"?

In any case I assume you meant to say,

"So if drunk driver runs you down you don't think he is wrong and should be held accountable...."
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Of course I think he was wrong, I don't think running anyone down, me or the schmoe who lives across the street, is generally the right thing to do. As for being held accountable, I would have to know what manner such accountability would take. Are you using "accountable" in the sense of establishing,

A Confession?
  Get him to admit, "Yes! yes! yes! I did it."
Responsibility?
  That he rather than someone else.
Liability?
  He must pay for my injuries.
Penalization?
  He should suffer for his deed.
Something else?
  ___________fill in the blank___________ .

Responsibility: that he and no one else, and nothing else.

 

[Skwim]

Responsibility: that he and no one else, and nothing else.

And for that he should be held accountable, whatever significance that may have.

 

[Call_of_the_Wild]

Just so. That he's held to be in the wrong clearly suggests there was a right way of doing things that he could have, and should have, done.

But he said we don't have free will, which throws accountability right out the window.

 

[Willamena]

And for that he should be held accountable, whatever significance that may have.

Responsibility in that sense is a direct reflection of free will by which a person has determined a course of action for themselves from amongst the things they could'a, should'a, and would'a done.

 

[Skwim]

Responsibility in that sense is a direct reflection of free will by which a person has determined a course of action for themselves from amongst the things they could'a, should'a, and would'a done.

Turncoat. And here I thought you were on my side.

 

[Willamena]

Turncoat. And here I thought you were on my side.

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You propose a determinism that's fundamental (and fundamentalist), and that's something I don't see. To me, information is fundamental, and determinism is just one way of putting the information together.

 

[Skwim]

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You propose a determinism that's fundamental (and fundamentalist), and that's something I don't see. To me, information is fundamental, and determinism is just one way of putting the information together.

So if I was to pigeonhole you on the freewill---hard determinism scale, where would you go? Pick whatever term you feel fits, I'm not about to challenge you on it; just curious.

 

[Willamena]

So if I was to pigeonhole you on the freewill---hard determinism scale, where would you go? Pick whatever term you feel fits, I'm not about to challenge you on it; just curious.

Free will exists as much as any meaningful part of the world does. Determinism is significant to render the world orderly and functional; free will renders us functional.

 

[Skwim]

Free will exists as much as any meaningful part of the world does. Determinism is significant to render the world orderly and functional; free will renders us functional.

Gotcha.

 

[PolyHedral]

We do what we do because of who we are. If we did otherwise, we would not be ourselves.

 

[Sha'irullah]

We do what we do because of who we are. If we did otherwise, we would not be ourselves.

It is because of what is out of our control that makes us who we are. lack of free will does not mean lack of individuality it would only increase it when I add up the factors for uniqueness to occur.

 

[idav]

But he said we don't have free will, which throws accountability right out the window.

No problem god can just share his power and no take backs means god would no long3r be omnipotent.