Fundamentalist Atheists

[Bunyip]

Certain Christians evangelize because they are commanded to, certain atheists "anti-proselytize" without having any command to do so.

Agreed. And in both cases such activity can be sincere and polite. To promote your opinions does not equate to fundamentalism, zealotry or fideism.

My point in reacting here was simply to advocate for discussing specific examples, rather than demonising arbitrary groupings.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Yes, and of course atheism is not a set of principles, nor is it a movement or attitude. Atheism gives no set of principles that could be fundamentally adhered to. Hence my point that the term 'fundamentalist atheist' is a nonsense term.

And that would be fine. But we live in the real world and there are people in this world who believe that there is no god, theist are irrational and delusional and the world would be better without theist.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

She was using a figure of speech (I think) meaning not to give something to those who don't want it or don't value it. She means preaching to those who don't wish to hear it. In that case, we shouldn't preach to them. I don't think she was calling anyone a pig or a dog.

If she didn't mean to call anyone a person a pig or a dog, then she wouldn't have said it.

 

[Bunyip]

I am not insulting you. If you are not capable of understanding my faith then why should I share it with you? But if you attack what you do not understand I will defend it.

Calling people pig, or dog is deliberately insulting.
I do understand your faith, I was a Christian for 14 years. Morover your accusation is unwarranted, I did not attack you in any way whatsoever.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

It was a figure of speech.

An insulting one. It was an insult when Jesus said it, too. Calling people pigs and dogs were a couple of his favorite ways to insult people.

 

[Bunyip]

And that would be fine. But we live in the real world and there are people in this world who believe that there is no god, theist are irrational and delusional and the world would be better without theist.

Sure, there are also people who believe they have been abducted by aliens, that the sun orbits the earth and that Justin Beiber is talented - so what? It has nothing to do with atheism, any more than the despicable behaviour of the Westboro Baptists is representative of Christianity.

 

[Bunyip]

An insulting one. It was an insult when Jesus said it, too. Calling people pigs and dogs were a couple of his favorite ways to insult people.

It was a figure of speech.

Yes it was a deliberately insulting figure of speach. Jesus meant it to be an insult when he said it too.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

An insulting one. It was an insult when Jesus said it, too. Calling people pigs and dogs were a couple of his favorite ways to insult people.

And I will not apologize for the language Jesus used because I know what he meant. If they are incapable of understanding, then it is useless to try to make them understand. A bird cannot communicate to a fish what it is like to be a bird.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Sure, there are also people who believe they have been abducted by aliens, that the sun orbits the earth and that Justin Beiber is talented - so what? It has nothing to do with atheism, any more than the despicable behaviour of the Westboro Baptists is representative of Christianity.

What part of "we are not talking about all atheist" did you not understand?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

And I will not apologize for the language Jesus used because I know what he meant. If they are incapable of understanding, then it is useless to try to make them understand. A bird cannot communicate to a fish what it is like to be a bird.

Yeah, why apologize for being arrogant and rude. "They won't convert to my religion because they're too stupid to understand it!" Yes, some of us can read between the lines of what you and your Jesus said.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Yeah, why apologize for being arrogant and rude. "They won't convert to my religion because they're too stupid to understand it!" Yes, some of us can read between the lines of what you and your Jesus said.

Incapable has nothing to do with being stupid. Just because a blind person is incapable of discerning the color spectrum does not mean they are stupid.

It's just the way they are.

Now why should I bother explaining colors to someone who is incapable of understanding the concept of colors?

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Incapable has nothing to do with being stupid. Just because a blind person is incapable of discerning the color spectrum does not mean they are stupid.

It's just the way they are.

Now why should I bother explaining colors to someone who is incapable of understanding the concept of colors?

Not wanting to join your religion doesn't mean we're incapable of understanding it. I was a Christian for years.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Not wanting to join your religion doesn't mean we're incapable of understanding it. I was a Christian for years.

You don't understand, It is not as if I believe that you don't understand and therefore don't want to join my religion. I don't believe you can. It's not for you, you are a not supposed to. You have your nature and I have mine. Fish belong in the sea, birds in the air.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

You don't understand, It is not as if I believe that you don't understand and therefore don't want to join my religion. I don't believe you can. It's not for you, you are a not supposed to. You have your nature and I have mine. Fish belong in the sea, birds in the air.

Whatever you say.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

I was a Christian for years.

No, you were just a type of Christian. And that is all. Just as Christine is one type of Christian and I am another type. She interprets the faith through her experience, and I interpret it differently through mine. So to tell me you understand all the nuances and differences of my faith just because you had a experience with one type or version of it, is meaningless.

 

[Breathe]

Evangelising is more common to christians than it is to atheists.

Ahahahaha.

 

[Sunstone]

Exactly - YOU are COMMANDED to evangelise, atheists are not. Evangelising is more common to christians than it is to atheists.

As I said - there are many times more Christians evangelising their beliefs than there are atheists.

I don't know of any comparative statistics on that, but I would have to say you're probably right -- given how few atheists stand on street corners in this town proselytizing, or go knocking door-to-door trying to convert people to their views.

 

[yoda89]

You don't understand, It is not as if I believe that you don't understand and therefore don't want to join my religion. I don't believe you can. It's not for you, you are a not supposed to. You have your nature and I have mine. Fish belong in the sea, birds in the air.

 

[LuisDantas]

You don't understand, It is not as if I believe that you don't understand and therefore don't want to join my religion. I don't believe you can. It's not for you, you are a not supposed to. You have your nature and I have mine. Fish belong in the sea, birds in the air.

Out of curiosity, do you understand why Yoda isn't likely to find that a very respectful reply? It is one of those things that are very obvious once pointed out.

I may tell you by PM if you want.

 

[Thief]

You don't understand, It is not as if I believe that you don't understand and therefore don't want to join my religion. I don't believe you can. It's not for you, you are a not supposed to. You have your nature and I have mine. Fish belong in the sea, birds in the air.

There is scripture to support this.

'Do not cast your pearls before swine.'

Sounds like an insult?....sure it does.

Are we allowed to quote scripture?