Fundamentalist Atheists

[IHaveTheGift]

I think I had made this clear. Perhaps I was not clear enough. First of all this went way behind the children/baby comment. I posted it at least 5 times about people having to be taught about organized religion to think they have knowledge of it.
Why do we define things as actions. Because to get caught up in definitions leads to a stand still as was evidence of decades of debate wording. Thus we use actions.

If everything must have an action. Then the child must have an action. This action is not of belief and therefore it is lack of belief. So the child is activiely disbelieving. While, it does not know of Christainity in this case it must according to my arguement have an action. However, without theism which must be created it is simply doing it what it naturally does. Which Atheism would not exist if religion was theism was not created. Thus it is naturally atheistic.

So unknowns to people are lacks of belief?
One must posses knowledge of anything, before they can activity believe of not believe it to be true.
Atheism is not the "unknown of an unknown"
By default no such title exists.
There are tons and tons of stuff I never heard of before, I cant lack belief in them, I dont even know what they are, they are unknown and its as simple as that.

You, yourself probably believe stuff that I am simply not even aware of, I cant lack a belief in what you believe, I don't even know what the belief is, so how can I have a belief that its true or not ?

 

[Willamena]

A child genetic makeup and enviorment in which they devolop can impact what they choose to believe. However, to begin they are a blank slate except for their inheritant traits. These inheritit trates do not give a perspective on an organized religion or a God. They may develop their meaning gradually on their own and I am perfectly fine with that.

Right; but the connotation of this is that they cannot possibly be atheist. They have no opinion, one way or the other, about religion and god.

To relegate atheism to being based on (about) the negation of another term, rather than base it in a position on the belief in god, is to dismiss it from being about belief in god at all.

 

[Breathe]

Everything is possible, I suppose. I still fail to see why it would even qualify as a problem even if it happened.

Clarity?

 

[The Sum of Awe]

As I understand it "non-theism" includes agnosticism - though opinions vary on the definition.

I always thought it simply meant that looking into the concept of God is totally missing the point, totally irrelevant. I've seen "non-theistic theists" on this board and so I took it to mean that.

 

[yoda89]

So unknowns to people are lacks of belief?
One must posses knowledge of anything, before they can activity believe of not believe it to be true.
Atheism is not the "unknown of an unknown"
By default no such title exists.
There are tons and tons of stuff I never heard of before, I cant lack belief in them, I dont even know what they are, they are unknown and its as simple as that.

You, yourself probably believe stuff that I am simply not even aware of, I cant lack a belief in what you believe, I don't even know what the belief is, so how can I lack a belief that its true or not ?

Baby=I dont believe in anything
Adult Atheist=I dont believe in anything

(The baby example pretains to her calling unbelievers swine and the knowledge of christainity pearls. So I gave an example. Didnt know it was going to be this beat to death as a defense. Nor consume the whole thread considering it is about fundamental atheism. Although, I probably should have expected it.)

Naturally occuring thought without organized religion and its enforcement= I came to a conclusion by myself.

(Which if you read through my posts is my point. I'm in favor of children not being told what others belief as fact and making up their own mind. Which if is fundamentalis atheism that is what I am. If they become Christain thats fine. But its most likely not going to happen. Much like alot of people dont woship Zeus anymore. Yall kinda missed the point as I keep saying and keep saying and keep saying.)

 

[IHaveTheGift]

Baby=I dont believe in anything
Adult Atheist=I dont believe in anything

(The baby example pretains to her calling unbelievers swine and the knowledge of christainity pearls. So I gave an example. Didnt know it was going to be this beat to death as a defense. Nor consume the whole thread considering it is about fundamental atheism. Although, I probably should have expected it.)

Naturally occuring thought without organized religion and its enforcement= I came to a conclusion by myself.

(Which if you read through my posts is my point. I'm in favor of children not being told what others belief as fact and making up their own mind. Which if is fundamentalis atheism that is what I am. If they become Christain thats fine. But its most likely not going to happen. Much like alot of people dont woship Zeus anymore. Yall kinda missed the point as I keep saying and keep saying and keep saying.)

Arguing about this is pointless, if we word it your way, it sounds right, if we word it mine, it sounds right, but in the end, a baby doesn't even know what an atheist is and can not be one, its that simple.
But you can have your stance too, changes nothing really.

But about what is told to them, that is not your call and you have zero stance, you can have an opinion, but that is all it will ever be, an opinion.
You dont want me telling you how to raise your kids right?
Nuff said.

You know atheists try to take the position that theists get into every ones elses business, you are atheist?
What you doing getting into the business of billions of other people and how they raise their kids?

 

[yoda89]

Right; but the connotation of this is that they cannot possibly be atheist. They have no opinion, one way or the other, about religion and god.

Exactly they are nonbelievers.

To relegate atheism to being based on (about) the negation of another term, rather than base it in a position on the belief in god, is to dismiss it from being about belief in god at all.

Due to theism there is atheism. I'm merely stating that our natural form is athesitc. This doesnt mean we will be this way forever. However the influence of theism does effect beliefs and that in fact children are nonbelievers"swine." If you wish to make not believing a belief then yes in fact they are not atheist. But I dont go around disbeliefing in Santa. Nor to believe in not believing make any sense in my opinion.

 

[AmbiguousGuy]

Arguing about this is pointless, if we word it your way, it sounds right, if we word it mine, it sounds right, but in the end, a baby doesn't even know what an atheist is and can not be one, its that simple.

A baby doesn't even know what an infant is and therefore cannot be one?

 

[Willamena]

Baby=I dont believe in anything
Adult Atheist=I dont believe in anything

Active sentences. Dictionary definitions are passive sentences.

I am beginning to believe that this whole mess is the fault of insufficient grammar lessons (people unable to identify the subject of a sentence).

 

[Willamena]

Exactly they are nonbelievers.

As are corpses.

Doesn't improve the meaning of the word "atheism" any to include them.

Due to theism there is atheism. I'm merely stating that our natural form is athesitc. This doesnt mean we will be this way forever. However the influence of theism does effect beliefs and that in fact children are nonbelievers"swine." If you wish to make not believing a belief then yes in fact they are not atheist. But I dont go around disbeliefing in Santa. Nor to believe in not believing make any sense in my opinion.

Due to theism there is atheism, but theism is about belief in god and atheism is too.

 

[Quagmire]

Baby=I dont believe in anything
Adult Atheist=I dont believe in anything

You must know some pretty articulate babies.

 

[IHaveTheGift]

Active sentences. Dictionary definitions are passive sentences.

I am beginning to believe that this whole mess is the fault of insufficient grammar lessons (people unable to identify the subject of a sentence).

No, given my massive experience with some atheists, they try to twist words to have some sort of stance.
Such as Dawkins, a man with several degrees claiming that theists are atheists too, because we dont believe in Thor or other Gods.
That's like saying anyone who don't believe in eating every single kind of animal meat that exists, are vegans.

babies believe in stuff, the know for a fact if they cry, someone will pick them up

A baby doesn't even know what an infant is and therefore cannot be one?

Gee, I wonder how the baby manages to eat and breathe then huh?

 

[Kilgore Trout]

You must know some pretty articulate babies.

And some pretty nihilistic adults.

 

[yoda89]

Arguing about this is pointless, if we word it your way, it sounds right, if we word it mine, it sounds right, but in the end, a baby doesn't even know what an atheist is and can not be one, its that simple.
But you can have your stance too, changes nothing really.

Believing that not believing is a belief doesnt make sense. Thus we naturally dont believe in Jesus until we are told about him. We dont believe in any theism at that young. Does this make us default atheist. I believe so according to definition. However, if one not believing in something to actually a belief then it becomes a decided belief. By that definition yes I am wrong. If atheism is a learned thing then yes. However, I believe it is naturally our nature since theism is a creation of the mind. A blank slate

But about what is told to them, that is not your call and you have zero stance, you can have an opinion, but that is all it will ever be, an opinion.
You dont want me telling you how to raise your kids right?
Nuff said.

If you have positive input I would not mind. If you dont like my opinion or stance you obviously dont have to respond. If it hurts your feelings I can't help that especially since I am not trying to bully you. I am often wrong and I will admit when I am.

You know atheists try to take the position that theists get into every ones elses business, you are atheist?
What you doing getting into the business of billions of other people and how they raise their kids?

Its important to question beliefs for us to progress. Whether we are right or wrong is progress. No progression would have come without questioning. I hold the perspective to be honest to children and never claiming belief as something that is proven knowledge. Letting them make up their own minds. Especially in things such as meaning of life. The only problem with such organized religion is we cannot confirm such beliefs and not being able to doesnt make them fact. When many act as they are.

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

Baby=I dont believe in anything
Adult Atheist=I dont believe in anything

I disagree. IMHO, to be an atheist, one must actually understand what the concept of a deity is to begin with, and then willingly reject the that a deity exists. I have never heard a baby pop out of the womb saying that "there is no god." Likewise, I have never heard a baby say that "there is a god" either. That leads me to believe that infants are neither theists nor atheists, because they do not have the ability to accept or reject the concept of a deity.

 

[IHaveTheGift]

If you have positive input I would not mind. If you dont like my opinion or stance you obviously dont have to respond. If it hurts your feelings I can't help that especially since I am not trying to bully you. I am often wrong and I will admit when I am.

translation, "I am not trying to bully anyone, I am just saying that I think I know whats best for billions of others that I have not met on how they raise their kids.
You still don't get it do you?
You have no stance and are completely wasting you time arguing that you do in an one line forum.

if you wish to have a discussion with me and give me advice, at least get to know me first, ehhh?

Have I yet to tell a soul in the board how to run their own lives or billions of other people for that matter?
Yes I am telling you to butt out of thinking you have a stance in what billions of other people do, because I can see what you are doing, you have no idea what billions of others are doing.

I disagree. IMHO, to be an atheist, one must actually understand what the concept of a deity is to begin with, and then willingly reject the that a deity exists. I have never heard a baby pop out of the womb saying that "there is no god." Likewise, I have never heard a baby say that "there is a god" either. That leads me to believe that infants are neither theists nor atheists, because they do not have the ability to accept or reject the concept of a deity.

Completely agree
applaud. or what ever its called here

 

[yoda89]

As are corpses.

True if we do include them as human beings who do not believe. I do wonder about zombies

Due to theism there is atheism, but theism is about belief in god and atheism is too.

This is a very good point. However for example. Lacking a hobby isnt having a hobby and lacking hair isnt still having hair.

 

[IHaveTheGift]

True if we do include them as human beings who do not believe. I do wonder about zombies



This is a very good point. However for example. Lacking a hobby isnt having a hobby and lacking hair isnt still having hair.

Seriously, that doesn't even make sense to the subject at hand.
You cant even relate that to atheism
"I lack the belief in having hair",

 

[yoda89]

I disagree. IMHO, to be an atheist, one must actually understand what the concept of a deity is to begin with, and then willingly reject the that a deity exists. I have never heard a baby pop out of the womb saying that "there is no god." Likewise, I have never heard a baby say that "there is a god" either. That leads me to believe that infants are neither theists nor atheists, because they do not have the ability to accept or reject the concept of a deity.

We live in a world where the definition is a lack of belief in a diety. Yet if there is no theism then what becomes of atheism? Is the word merely erased because there is no theism? We therefore disregard the definition of atheism even though it is what is.

 

[IHaveTheGift]

We live in a world where the definition is a lack of belief in a diety. Yet if there is no theism then what becomes of atheism? Is the word merely erased because there is no theism? We therefore disregard the definition of atheism even though it is what is.

again with the "if's".
It makes no difference, man has believed in God since the beginning of time, you cant just erase it to have some sort of point.
Its part of our existence