Mr Spinkles
Mr
Dude. Look at all the facts I posted in posts #7, 8, 9, 18 and 25.
These facts are directly pertinent to the OP.
You’ve ignored these facts entirely and go off talking about Obama and Libya. Why is that?
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These facts are directly pertinent to the OP.
You’ve ignored these facts entirely and go off talking about Obama and Libya. Why is that?
Do you think they drive policy more than voters, Congress & the Prez?
Heyo
Veteran Member
Economy 101. If there's money to make, there is an incentive to bribe the politicians. If the bribes are high enough they will drive policy.
We should consider then what is bought with the money.
Let's say they buy politicians sending us to war. If the voters
object to that, then they'd toss the bounders out of office.
But being in office is worth more than the amount of bribes
that can be hidden well enuf to avoid prosecution.
So I don't buy the idea that contractors send us into war.
I have compelling evidence that voters approve of wars.
Do you have any evidence of such bribes?
tytlyf
Not Religious
OCDS.
Heyo
Veteran Member
I don't oppose voters also wanting war. The easier is it to convince a politician not to leave the party line. But politicians can also be convinced to vote against the public. I think evidence for that has often been posted.
Mr Spinkles
Mr
It’s interesting that Obama’s greatest mistake is tied to a terrorist attack that killed four Americans.
Imagine if terrorists in Libya had managed to kill 300,000 Americans.
Obama’s worst blunder is comparable to two minutes of the Trump administration during COVID. Let that sink in.
esmith
Veteran Member
WOW....Now your blaming the current administration for Covid-19.
I knew your type dislikes the current administration but I never thought you would stoop so low as blame them for a diese that originated in China.
Guess it takes all types.
Just a question concerning the first part. You are now admitting the Benghazi attack was a terrorist attack not in response to a video.......how nice
Mr Spinkles
Mr
Trump is not the reason the COVID outbreak occurred. I admit this. Nor is Obama the reason terrorists attacked the American embassy in Libya. But “mistakes were made”.
Our first black President admitted he made mistakes in connection with four American deaths and the right had a conniption. Our first orange President gives himself a 10/10 score in connection with 300,000 American deaths while holding his own super-spreader events and the right worships him. Go figure.
I never claimed Benghazi was not a terrorist attack or that it was in response to a video. So you’re welcome.
They'll occasionally go against public opinion for
ethical reasons. But usually, they'll do what it takes
to curry favor with the masses.
esmith
Veteran Member
Sorry I was wrong in making an assuption. However, there are many that said it was in response to a video. I will not name names but one person, on this forum, that seems to stick out in my mind sure forked out the administrations storyline.
There's a major problem with the study, ie, it's bunk.
We vote in many elections at many levels. There
are differences between the candidates running,
& the voters select the preferred ones. Sure, sure,
it's often based upon emotion, party affiliation, &
misinformation. But there is no doubt that the
selections reflect voter desires, & that politicians
cater to those desires.
So when GW Bush led us into 2 wars, he was
re-elected by voters who knew & approved.
When Obama continued both wars, he was
rewarded with a 2nd term. Hillary favored both
wars, & won the popular vote against Trump.
There were alternatives, but voters rejected them.
The illusion is that most people believe government
is catering to someone else's wants. The "oligarchy"
is the boogeyman, but the reality is that both Dems
& Pubs each believe the other has too much power,
thereby corrupting & perverting the true path that
the country should have.
It reminds me of a recent statement by a friend. She's
a liberal & a Democrat. She wished that Trump & his
supporters would all just die. Then the Democrats
would do what is right for the country.
Notice that she wants what they want...she doesn't
complain that the oligarchy makes them do what she
opposes.
People still vote because it makes a difference...but it's
a general difference, one borne of compromise by the
opposing factions. So almost no individual is satisfied
with the result. They think democracy is dead. It's really
sour grapes.
My solution....
Advocate & vote. Hope for the best, but limit expectations
to mediocre results. One will be seldom disappointed.
tytlyf
Not Religious
Best evidence and information out there shows it was in response to a video. In case you haven't noticed, radicalized muslims carry out attacks like this all the time.
Whoever told you it was NOT in response to a video is taking advantage of you.
Heyo
Veteran Member
You don't believe in polls, do you?
Over 60%, according to those polls, would like to have a better healthcare system.
Over 90% (iirc) would like to have guns better regulated.
A majority would like higher taxes for the rich.
If people were able to connect their wishes to their votes, Bernie Sander would be president.
"Believe in" is a strong phrase. I acknowledge their existence,
& that they somewhat reflect what people believe or feel.
People don't always consider what their chosen candidate
stands for. They have access to the info, but they ignore
important things like records in prior offices held.
Democrats might say they oppose the Afghan & Iraq wars,
but they voted overwhelmingly for Hillary & Joe, who voted
in the Senate to wage them.
Also, we have 2 major competing parties. Neither will often
get its way, so we see compromises that no one likes, eg,
Obamacare.
This is a better explanation than some oligarchy secretly
running things behind the scenes.
People just didn't want to vote for Bernie. More did
than I'd expect, but as the primary race continued,
they chose Hillary over Bernie.
Can't blame an oligarchy for that.
About polls....
Let's consider guns being better regulated. Nearly
everyone can agree on that. But if the poll doesn't
address specific proposals, we'll see a false high
approval rating. The Devil is in the details...avoid
those, & people will approve of anything that sounds
vaguely positive.
Do you vote in elections?
If so, why?
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Heyo
Veteran Member
Let's not go there. (I think that election was rigged.)
But more people voted for Joe than for Bernie.
Can't blame an oligarchy for that.[/QUOTE]
And I do blame the oligarchy in part for that. But as I must admit, people are even dumber than I thought and that is the main reason.
It was indeed rigged in Hillary's favor.
But ultimately, more delegates did vote for her,
the corruption of super delegates notwithstanding.
People being dumb is a problem, but they still vote
for the candidates they want, & they get the results
they (should) expect. The oligarchy didn't install
Creepy Uncle Joe....the voters did.
(I voted for Jorgensen.)
Heyo
Veteran Member
Uncle Joe had a little help from his friends (the oligarchs).
Why is he to become President.
The people (except me) voted for him.
They could've voted for Jorgensen,
but hey didn't.
Do you vote?
If so, why?