G-d blew it

[Iti oj]

If I were god I would trust in the goodness of my creation and not send prophets. Basically deism would be true.

 

[illykitty]

I wonder, would it be easier for you to tolerate suffering if you could see the sufferer's eternity of bliss and happiness a mere fraction of time away? Would limiting or removing people's free will be worth merely removing this fraction of time in which people suffer, which would not even amount to a drop in the ocean of eternity?

Does it? Some people suffer their whole lives... How about them? If you're Christian you would say then there's heaven but for someone like me, who is unsure about afterlife specifics this isn't a comforting thought.

Sure then if you're a god then I suppose you could create this afterlife but why create the suffering? Idk, it's a really difficult thing for me. I've had my share of suffering which resulted in mental illness that's been plaguing me for many years. I sure wish I was without it.

 

[FunctionalAtheist]

Recently, I've read some posts which claim that G-d did a poor job with Creation because of some perceived deficiency or another. So assume that you are G-d and you are creating the universe. What would you do differently and why? Would you make it impossible for humans to commit evil, would you make people immortal, would you make yourself physically present to your Creations at all times, would you not even bother with creating humans, would you make death by anything other than old age impossible? Or what? Only your imagination and the universe are the limit.

I would have designed a better human knee. It's amazing what a poor design we have. The knee is subject to all kinds of problems that even a 2nd year enginneering student could erradicate with a better design.

If god created man in his own image, then god has sucky knees. If the human knee is the result of evolution, then one would expect issues with a knee that has supported 4 legged animals for a billion years but only recently has shifted to bipedalism.

 

[Iti oj]

Our backbone could use a better design.

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

Does it? Some people suffer their whole lives... How about them? If you're Christian you would say then there's heaven but for someone like me, who is unsure about afterlife specifics this isn't a comforting thought.

Sure then if you're a god then I suppose you could create this afterlife but why create the suffering? Idk, it's a really difficult thing for me. I've had my share of suffering which resulted in mental illness that's been plaguing me for many years. I sure wish I was without it.

From a perspective of a God, I would say that an entire life is too just a tiny fraction of time, nothing compared to eternity. If suffering is a consequence of a Creation with free will, is it not worth it, if the end-game is an eternity of bliss?

 

[CynthiaCypher]

I would have created giant monsters to plague mankind like Godzilla.

It would have made things more entertaining.

 

[Iti oj]

To be honest I find the suffering worth it no need for an afterlife. Life is worth living.

 

[Iti oj]

I would have created giant monsters to plague mankind like Godzilla.

It would have made things more entertaining.

Have you consider perhaps we are the monsters terrorizing the rest of the animal kingdom?

 

[illykitty]

From a perspective of a God, I would say that an entire life is too just a tiny fraction of time, nothing compared to eternity. If suffering is a consequence of a Creation with free will, is it not worth it, if the end-game is an eternity of bliss?

But you're assuming an eternity in bliss. I make no afterlife assumptions.

What if this life is all we have? Think about this.

 

[Sultan Of Swing]

But you're assuming an eternity in bliss. I make no afterlife assumptions.

What if this life is all we have? Think about this.

I was merely talking about it from a perspective of a God who could create that reality of eternity. After all, the original question is what we would do if we were God.

 

[Ouroboros]

Our backbone could use a better design.

And kneecap and the iliotibial band (IT).

 

[illykitty]

I was merely talking about it from a perspective of a God who could create that reality of eternity. After all, the original question is what we would do if we were God.

True but then why create suffering at all?

 

[thau]

Recently, I've read some posts which claim that G-d did a poor job with Creation because of some perceived deficiency or another. So assume that you are G-d and you are creating the universe. What would you do differently and why? Would you make it impossible for humans to commit evil, would you make people immortal, would you make yourself physically present to your Creations at all times, would you not even bother with creating humans, would you make death by anything other than old age impossible? Or what? Only your imagination and the universe are the limit.

I might make it more obvious to the posters who think that G-d blew it how their pride has gotten them into an undesirable state of affairs. Honestly, how could anyone accept there is a G-d and then dare to tell Him they know better?

 

[Sir Doom]

I might make it more obvious to the posters who think that G-d blew it how their pride has gotten them into an undesirable state of affairs. Honestly, how could anyone accept there is a G-d and then dare to tell Him they know better?

God granted me the courage to question him. How else?

Your high-horse. Get off it.

 

[thau]

God granted me the courage to question him. How else?

Your high-horse. Get off it.

Then that leaves only one of us on a high horse.

Who said a believer could not question God, was it I?

That is surely a different matter than someone who believes in God telling God he did not know what He was doing the way He assembled earth, life and humanity, is it not?

 

[Sir Doom]

Then that leaves only one of us on a high horse.

That's right.

Who said a believer could not question God, was it I?

Well you said:

Honestly, how could anyone accept there is a G-d and then dare to tell Him they know better?

This is an act of questioning God.

That is surely a different matter than someone who believes in God telling God he did not know what He was doing the way He assembled earth, life and humanity, is it not?

No. It is not.

 

[thau]

That's right.



Well you said:



This is an act of questioning God.



No. It is not.

Well, Ok. But if you believe in the one and only G-d as you have implied, and then think you could possibly know better than G-d on how He should have arranged things for man, that is chutzpah beyond its most extreme description - - - or a very high horse.

Questioning G-d in the realm of "Why is there suffering?" "Why is there a hell" "Why is there so much evil?" is a far different matter to me. You are not saying "G-d you blew it," you are merely saying "G-d I do not understand it."

 

[Sir Doom]

Well, Ok. But if you believe in the one and only G-d as you have implied, and then think you could possibly know better than G-d on how He should have arranged things for man, that is chutzpah beyond its most extreme description - - - or a very high horse.

I don't believe in the one and only God, nor did I intend to imply it (though I can see how you might think that). I do sit on top of a very high horse, however. But that's only because I'm convinced I deserve it. Would you like to convince me otherwise? I assure you its an impossible task.

Questioning G-d in the realm of "Why is there suffering?" "Why is there a hell" "Why is there so much evil?" is a far different matter to me. You are not saying "G-d you blew it," you are merely saying "G-d I do not understand it."

I'm certain God knows my heart and mind as well (if not better) than I do. Therefore, regardless of whether I have typed it out, said it verbally or merely thought about it, God knows I have my doubts. I'm fairly certain God would be upset with me if I did not speak my mind as it is. Thus, I am duty bound to say, "God got it wrong." when I feel that this is the case. To do otherwise would be dishonest. And I don't believe God rewards dishonesty. If you don't doubt on the same level as I do, fine. But don't encourage me to be dishonest about how I feel, either.

 

[Quagmire]

I would make things pretty much the way they are except that I would set it up so anyone who whined about the way things are would burst into flame.

 

[FunctionalAtheist]

I might make it more obvious to the posters who think that G-d blew it how their pride has gotten them into an undesirable state of affairs. Honestly, how could anyone accept there is a G-d and then dare to tell Him they know better?

Or perhaps they should ask how can one see so many obvious ways things could be better and accept there is a god?