Garner Incident-if you can say "I can't breathe," guess what you can breathe

[Revoltingest]

I didn't hear or see report of a death threat by police.
Sorry the big guy had a condition.
He should have gone for the ride with the 'nice' officers.

I like your touch of single quoting there. Had he submitted, he might've been stripped naked & probed right there in public as Staten Island cops (especially the choker) are known for.

Hey, that reminds me of an old joke I just made up....
What does a woman say to a menacing sexual predator?
"But officer, I was driving below the speed limit."

Edit: Women make the news when cops sexually assault them, but the only person I know IRL who was diddled by a cop is a guy. (It wasn't a search or anything. Some cops like fondling junk for some reason.)

 

[Thief]

Don't what to seem REALLY harsh.....but....he might still be alive.

There will always be some cop somewhere on the borderline of good conduct.

Perhaps the prudent thing is to say yes sir....even if they don't seem 'proper'.

 

[ChristineES]

Oh good....
and you do understand that physical confrontations are risky?

We know that, too. The fact that the guy died isn't just unfortunate, it's tragic. He had a wife and six children that he was supporting. He may mean nothing to us who didn't know him, but he was everything to his poor family.

 

[Thief]

We know that, too. The fact that the guy died isn't just unfortunate, it's tragic. He had a wife and six children that he was supporting. He may mean nothing to us who didn't know him, but he was everything to his poor family.

I favor sympathy wherever I can.
But I cannot take sides of condemnation to the law enforcement.
and if I were in uniform that hour.....
the takedown from behind is preferred.

So tragic....yes it is....the large fellow fell forward instead of backward.
It really is...that simple.

 

[JM2C]

IOW, "comply or die":

He did both at the end

 

[MysticSang'ha]

I favor sympathy wherever I can.
But I cannot take sides of condemnation to the law enforcement.
and if I were in uniform that hour.....
the takedown from behind is preferred.

So tragic....yes it is....the large fellow fell forward instead of backward.
It really is...that simple.

That's like saying, "I didn't punch the guy in the face. He ran into my fist. Sucks to be him."

 

[Thief]

That's like saying, "I didn't punch the guy in the face. He ran into my fist. Sucks to be him."

No, actually.....for real.....
Takedown from behind could set the big guy on his butt.
The rest would be fairly easy.

Falling forward likely tightened the hold and the fall to the ground gave it all a strong thump.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

I like your touch of single quoting there. Had he submitted, he might've been stripped naked & probed right there in public as Staten Island cops (especially the choker) are known for.

Hey, that reminds me of an old joke I just made up....
What does a woman say to a menacing sexual predator?
"But officer, I was driving below the speed limit."

Edit: Women make the news when cops sexually assault them, but the only person I know IRL who was diddled by a cop is a guy. (It wasn't a search or anything. Some cops like fondling junk for some reason.)

Actually, female survivors of sexual assault only make the news when male LEO's attack them. Female LEO perps against female survivors, not so much.

 

[JM2C]

I favor sympathy wherever I can.
But I cannot take sides of condemnation to the law enforcement.
and if I were in uniform that hour.....
the takedown from behind is preferred.

So tragic....yes it is....the large fellow fell forward instead of backward.
It really is...that simple.

Prone positioning was the most important things to consider when using choke hold. I don't think the choker would prefer the backward or the face up positioning because at that weight -350lbs- would crush him instantly and end up in ER.

 

[Revoltingest]

Actually, female survivors of sexual assault only make the news when male LEO's attack them. Female LEO perps against female survivors, not so much.

Nonetheless, we have this famous case which made headlines....at least on the Drudge Report...
Kelley Helleson Indicted: Texas Trooper Faces Sexual Assault Charges For Body Cavity Search

 

[Skwim]

Calm down dude.

How cute.

Bottom line is, even if he died from heart failure, or whatever else you'd like to assert, the fact of the matter is that in all likelihood he would NOT be dead if he'd not been put in a choke hold.

Not a "fact of the matter" at all. Your bias is showing, ST.

 

[Skwim]

The least he could have gotten or should have gotten is involuntary manslaughter

After watching the video I have to disagree. It's not evident at all that the choke hold was the decisive factor in Gerard's death. In fact, because of all the other factors that may have played a part in his demise, the choke hold may not have been a relevant factor at all.

 

[ChristineES]

After watching the video I have to disagree. It's not evident at all that the choke hold was the decisive factor in Gerard's death. In fact, because of all the other factors that may have played a part in his demise, the choke hold may not have been a relevant factor at all.

That's true. The coroner's report and various eye witnesses would have to help to decide it.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Nonetheless, we have this famous case which made headlines....at least on the Drudge Report...
Kelley Helleson Indicted: Texas Trooper Faces Sexual Assault Charges For Body Cavity Search

One.

You're right though in that the sexual assault of men by LEOs don't even register.

 

[Revoltingest]

You're right though in that the sexual assault of men by LEOs don't even register.

I don't claim that though. In particular, I think of Amadou Daillo's infamous rape & murder by NYC cops. I'd say the bigger problem is that the vast majority of assaults by cops go unnoticed.

 

[SkepticThinker]

How cute.

Glad you liked it.

Not a "fact of the matter" at all. Your bias is showing, ST.

What bias?

Are you acting under the assumption that the chokehold had nothing to do with his death?

 

[SkepticThinker]

And had he not waved his hands and told the police...don't touch me....
He might still be breathing.

Is that something worth killing a person over?

I've seen police on "Cops" take down bigger guys, cuff them and get them into the police car without shooting or choking anybody.

 

[metis]

After watching the video I have to disagree. It's not evident at all that the choke hold was the decisive factor in Gerard's death. In fact, because of all the other factors that may have played a part in his demise, the choke hold may not have been a relevant factor at all.

Something doesn't have to be a decisive factor as even a contributing factor could also lead to charges, even though those charges may be less. If I pull a choke hold on you, but it's indeterminate whether the choke hold or your subsequent heart attack did you in, charges still can be brought against me, but generally it'll be a lesser charge.

 

[McBell]

I brought in the police, FBI, and/or the Border Patrol each semester in my political science class, and when asked, this is what they all of them stated, namely that deadly force is not to be used if there is no physical threat, and threat to property simply does not qualify. BTW, the same applies to the rest of us as well.

I fail to see how this above quoted reply answers the question of who, other than yourself, is making the claim that resisting arrest warrants killing the suspect.

 

[McBell]

He did both at the end

I do not see being dead as complying...