Garner Incident-if you can say "I can't breathe," guess what you can breathe

[metis]

I fail to see how this above quoted reply answers the question of who, other than yourself, is making the claim that resisting arrest warrants killing the suspect.

Where did I say that? I've continually said the opposite.

 

[freethinker44]

Frontal assault instead?.......
Got a technique for that?

How about no assault?

 

[McBell]

Where did I say that? I've continually said the opposite.

Post #203.
the post I quoted when I first asked you who has made that claim.

 

[metis]

Post #203.
the post I quoted when I first asked you who has made that claim.

I wrote this at 203: "Resisting arrest does not by itself warrant killing a suspect-- only if there's a eminent danger to one's self or to others, and this does not apply in the Garner incident." So, how does this response lead to you saying "I fail to see how this above quoted reply answers the question of who, other than yourself, is making the claim that resisting arrest warrants killing the suspect"?

 

[dgirl1986]

I find it amusing and disturbing how people will excuse use of excessive force resulting in critical injury or death because it is the police. Wouldnt be so nice if you are on the receiving end though would it.

 

[Skwim]

Something doesn't have to be a decisive factor as even a contributing factor could also lead to charges, even though those charges may be less.

Depends on what the charges are based on.

If I pull a choke hold on you, but it's indeterminate whether the choke hold or your subsequent heart attack did you in, charges still can be brought against me, but generally it'll be a lesser charge.

But if the neither the choke hold nor the heart attack can be cited as the cause then the choke hold can't be considered as decisive and deemed the basis for any charges.

 

[CMike]

If the tactic is prohibited by the department it is defined as an illegal hold.

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That doesn't make it illegal. If true, it would make it prohibited by the police department.

To be illegal, there has to be an actual law against it.

 

[CMike]

It's changed. Police used to only shoot if his/her life was in danger or if another person's life was in danger.

That is still the rule.

 

[CMike]

Resisting arrest does not by itself warrant killing a suspect-- only if there's a eminent danger to one's self or to others, and this does not apply in the Garner incident.

They didn't intend to kill him. They attempted to arrest him. He resisted.

 

[Revoltingest]

To be illegal, there has to be an actual law against it.

Is that an important distinction? Departmental policy gives cops directions & prohibitions in the use of deadly force. Since the intent of this has consequences comparable to laws, the distinction looks small to me. If a cop violates a departmental directive or a law, the consequences are usually the same....automatic exculpation. The consequences to citizens are also deadly. So the policies function much like laws.

 

[dust1n]

Let the flames begin.

So not only do you not believe in the constitution when in comes to illegal selling of tobacco, you don't believe in the constitution when in comes to resisting arrest.

What other crimes do you believe is worth disregarding the Bill of Rights as perfectly acceptable or intelligible by any means?

 

[McBell]

Resisting arrest does not by itself warrant killing a suspect

other than yourself, who has made this claim?

I brought in the police, FBI, and/or the Border Patrol each semester in my political science class, and when asked, this is what they all of them stated, namely that deadly force is not to be used if there is no physical threat, and threat to property simply does not qualify. BTW, the same applies to the rest of us as well.

I fail to see how this above quoted reply answers the question of who, other than yourself, is making the claim that resisting arrest warrants killing the suspect.

Where did I say that? I've continually said the opposite.

Post #203.
the post I quoted when I first asked you who has made that claim.

I wrote this at 203: "Resisting arrest does not by itself warrant killing a suspect-- only if there's a eminent danger to one's self or to others, and this does not apply in the Garner incident." So, how does this response lead to you saying "I fail to see how this above quoted reply answers the question of who, other than yourself, is making the claim that resisting arrest warrants killing the suspect"?

Who has made the claim that resisting arrest warrants killing a suspect?​

 

[Thief]

Prone positioning was the most important things to consider when using choke hold. I don't think the choker would prefer the backward or the face up positioning because at that weight -350lbs- would crush him instantly and end up in ER.

Pull back til he stumbles....THEN tighten what should be the vascular technique.
(I would step back as the large guy begins to drop.....I wouldn't let him fall on me)
Falling forward while applying a choke will tighten the hold.

There is the possibility of a throw and release.
A large fellow might be able to if no one in front of him stops it.
Hence the fall.

 

[Storm]

That's true. The coroner's report and various eye witnesses would have to help to decide it.

Funny how that's not good enough when it says something people don't want to hear.

 

[Thief]

Something doesn't have to be a decisive factor as even a contributing factor could also lead to charges, even though those charges may be less. If I pull a choke hold on you, but it's indeterminate whether the choke hold or your subsequent heart attack did you in, charges still can be brought against me, but generally it'll be a lesser charge.

If you concede the cause...all charges would be dropped.
There won't be charges filed.

Charges filed seems so unlikely....and unnecessary.
Just paper work on top of a bad situation.

If charges are ever filed they will be dropped.

 

[Thief]

Funny how that's not good enough when it says something people don't want to hear.

Hear what?....I can't breath.....eleven times.......?

 

[ChristineES]

Does anyone know if the family of the man are going to sue for wrongful death?

 

[Thief]

How about no assault?

Let anyone who says no.....walk away from the arrest?
Unrealistic.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Let anyone who says no.....walk away from the arrest?
Unrealistic.

Lawfully arresting somebody who is resisting =/= assaulting person who is resisting.

 

[Thief]

Lawfully arresting somebody who is resisting =/= assaulting person who is resisting.

I might go as far as .....defending the law.