Gaya to be developed as ‘spiritual capital’

[Osal]

I agree, but it does fit the ideals of some of them, that is why Hindus are persecuted in Pakistan, Bangladesh, Kashmir, and incidents of terror take place in India (link given in my previous post).Kindly remember, the place was a holy place for Hindus. The mosque has been built by demolishing a temple. You take something and refuse to return it - is that fair?

Well, life isn't fair.

There have been temples built on older temples since ancient times. What is sacred to the Muslims was sacred to the Hindus and before the Hindus it was sacred to someone else. One person's pyramid became someone else's stone quary. One person's basilica became someone else's mosque. People tear down one structure and build something else. Things change and you can't always get things back the way they were and most timesit's better if you don't.

The Muslims probably won't give back those temple sites without a fight. Violense. Bloodshed. Death. Destruction.

Is that what you want?

 

[Aupmanyav]

We are the original owners of these places. Unfortunate if Muslims choose it that way instead of some respectable exchange - and Hindu gratitude.

"The oldest surviving plaintiff in the Ram Janmabhoomi-Babri Masjid case has created a flutter by declaring that he wants to see Ram Lalla free from the clutches of the "contractors of religion". The statement of 93-year-old Hashim Ansari, who is pursuing the case since 1949, has come just ahead of the 22nd anniversary of the demolition of Babri Masjid in Ayodhya.

He said he has realised over the years that there were people on both the sides who were not in favour of any solution. "It is their business now. They are flourishing because of the Ram Janmabhoomi-Babri Masjid dispute. The Muslims must realise that Babri was demolished 22 years ago. We need to give our children and grandchildren an atmosphere where there is no Hindu-Muslim conflict on an issue which would have died its own death if the contractors of Hinduism and Islam had not played a game to keep dragging the country behind," Ansari said.

Hashim Ansari

"Now I want Ram Lalla (newborn Lord Ram) to be liberated so that this dispute is settled forever. I had feared that soon after taking over as Prime Minister, Narendra Modi would do something autocratic for construction of the Ram temple. But he is acting as a mature leader. It was only on Tuesday that he forced minister Niranjan Jyoti to apologise for her hate speech. So now is the time for me to take initiative to let there be a Ram temple in Ayodhya," Ansari further said."
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/...-is-disgusted-with-the-politics/1/405029.html

 

[Osal]

We are the original owners of these places.

How far back does this claim go?

There has been a mosque on the of Babri Masjid site since the 16th century.

Jain claim archaeological evidence of a Jain temple on the site in the 6th century.

I don't think it correct to go back many centurys to lay claim to "original" ownership.

I'm sure the traditional view amongst Hindus is as you say, but I worked and studiend with arrchaeologists who trained their student to be highly skeptical of "traditional" claims.

Also that site's in a provice with 31 million Muslims. Do you think it wise to **** off that many Muslims over a ssmall piece off earth?

 

[Aupmanyav]

Rama is much older than 6th Century. When Alexander was returning to Babylon, he came across a volcanic mud-well near Ormara in Baluchistan. The well was known as 'Rama Koopa' (Rama's well). The well is still active. The Buddhists and Jains say so many things to justify the decrease in their numbers in history. All ancient kings are mentioned as Buddhists or Jains. The fact is that during the reign of Gupta dynasty (320 to 550 CE) Hinduism experienced a resurgence and people returned to their old faith.

Chandrakup, Gupta Empire - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gupta_Empire

 

[Kirran]

OK, so the claims are various. However: the demolition of the mosque provoked huge religious unrest, resulting in many deaths. How many deaths is the construction of a Ram temple at this exact site worth?

I agree, but it does fit the ideals of some of them, that is why Hindus are persecuted in Pakistan, Bangladesh, Kashmir, and incidents of terror take place in India (link given in my previous post).

Yes, fair enough. But why we should push for the violent demolition of the mosques used by the average Muslims doesn't seem to link to this particularly.

 

[Aupmanyav]

I would not want even a single Muslim death or any harm to them; a fair exchange, as much land as they want and a mosque constructed by Hindus in the way they want it. Marble, lattices, minarettes, wuzu ponds, whatever. Does that seem reasonable?

 

[Kirran]

I would not want even a single Muslim death or any harm to them; a fair exchange, as much land as they want and a mosque constructed by Hindus in the way they want it. Marble, lattices, minarettes, wuzu ponds, whatever. Does that seem reasonable?

Yes, fair enough. As long as it happens peacefully and to the mutual satisfaction of those involved, I have no problem.