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Gender Apartheid

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
No but i submit hamas has had control of gaza for almost 20 years now. Israel may not like or want a 2 state solution but have done more than Hamas to create one. On the other hand we do have an explicit statement from Hamas that they have no interest in a two state solution.

Yeah. You in effect retracted on Israel wanting a 2 state solution. So there is that.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
A lot of people ignore outright the Palestinian charter as it stands, and like to pretend it dosent exist in order to make their pro Palestinian stances to appear legitimate.
You mean the 2017 Hamas charter?

That's the most recent one, not the one from the '80s that the anti-Palestinians go on about.
 

Pawpatrol

Active Member
Islam is horribly, horribly misogynistic. Politicians mostly won't say this. The MSM mostly won't say this.
Hmm..maybe it's because even the male politicians know that if they couldn't afford to get their food already prepared they'd prefer a wife who prepares it.:D

Ps. Your worldview is not the only one or the correct one — let alone the only correct one.
 
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mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Hmm..maybe it's because even the male politicians know that if they couldn't afford to get their food already prepared they'd prefer a wife who prefers it.:D

Ps. Your worldview is not the only one or the correct one — let alone the only correct one.

Is there a correct world view?
 

Pawpatrol

Active Member
And women in Muslim majority countries are being left high and dry because the non-Muslim world chooses to look the other way.
Can you acknowledge that there are millions of women in Muslim majority countries who are perfectly happy living their lives as Muslims?
 

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
Can you acknowledge that there are millions of women in Muslim majority countries who are perfectly happy living their lives as Muslims?
I understand that it's considered "politically correct" to pretend that all cultures are equal and that there is no such thing as moral expertise.

But I do not agree with that stance. We DO have some universal moral expertise, and we should not pretend we don't.

I'll just take one mild example using the Golden Rule: Before a man demands that a woman live in a burlap sack, he should spend a long amount of time living in a burlap sack.

IMO, it is morally wrong to demand that women live in burlap sacks, and any culture that practices such is an inferior culture.
 

Ignatius A

Well-Known Member
A lot of people ignore outright the Palestinian charter as it stands, and like to pretend it dosent exist in order to make their pro Palestinian stances to appear legitimate.
I agree. I think it's bad practice to not take people at their word. Their behavior may ultimately be incongruent with their words but hamas hasn't given me any reason to believe they want anything but the total destruction of Israel.
 

Ignatius A

Well-Known Member
Yeah. You in effect retracted on Israel wanting a 2 state solution. So there is that.
No I didn't. I said they may not want a 2 state solution but they have done more to move toward a 2 state solution than hamas. You just want Israel to accept being slaughter. You can't even bring yourself to think about the earn crimes of hamas. It's sad.
 

Pawpatrol

Active Member
I understand that it's considered "politically correct" to pretend that all cultures are equal and that there is no such thing as moral expertise.

But I do not agree with that stance. We DO have some universal moral expertise, and we should not pretend we don't.

I'll just take one mild example using the Golden Rule: Before a man demands that a woman live in a burlap sack, he should spend a long amount of time living in a burlap sack.

IMO, it is morally wrong to demand that women live in burlap sacks, and any culture that practices such is an inferior culture.
So your answer is no. I didn't expect that. You left me quite speechless.
 

Ignatius A

Well-Known Member
Yeah. You in effect retracted on Israel wanting a 2 state solution. So there is that.
No I didn't. I said they may not want a 2 state solution but they have done more to move toward a 2 state solution than hamas. You just want Israel to accept being slaughter. You can't even bring yourself to think about the earn crimes of hamas. It's sad.
It's not a lie. They believe in a 2 state solution but don't want it. Its necessary for their survival. Hamas is a pack of rabid dogs. They'd kill themselves and everyone around them to destroy Israel. They neither believe in nor want a 2 state solution.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
No I didn't. I said they may not want a 2 state solution but they have done more to move toward a 2 state solution than hamas. You just want Israel to accept being slaughter. You can't even bring yourself to think about the earn crimes of hamas. It's sad.

It's not a lie. They believe in a 2 state solution but don't want it. Its necessary for their survival. Hamas is a pack of rabid dogs. They'd kill themselves and everyone around them to destroy Israel. They neither believe in nor want a 2 state solution.

Okay, they believe in but don't want a 2 state solution. Okay, please give a link(s) to the official Israeli government policy of that.
 

Pawpatrol

Active Member
They neither believe in nor want a 2 state solution.
Nobody rational would call for that anyway.

The idea is stupid, very stupid.

The jews is Israel can either live in peace pith palestinians recognizing that the land is Palestinians' or get our from there. Most of them have two passports anyway.
 
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