Ignatius A
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Before that, you made a claim and can't back it up. Agree?
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mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
I really don't care one way or another, because if I made a mistake I will admit to it and learn from it. So that you "win" means nothing because I just move on. So what was the mistake I made?
Ignatius A
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It's not about a "win" it's about what was actually said. I know thats not really important to you people. I never referenced hamas ability to achieve their publicly stated goal of eliminating Israel from the face of the earth. It's not a relevant point. If they had the resources however they would destroy Israel. The difference is Israel could wipe out the whole rancid bunch of them but they haven't done it.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Okay, so then on to the actually problem. I walked the dog and gave it some further thought.
What is the time frame involved?
If for longer time how is Israel going to keep winning again and again? Or can they solve it once and for all and if so, how?
Does the actual winning only matter or could Israel end up like South Africa did once?
What are your actual standard of evidence? And how do you know that your standard is relevant?
Ignatius A
Well-Known Member
Hamas would destroy Israel if it could. Israel can destroy Hamas and Gaza but doesn't. Thats what's relevant. Hamas will commit war crimes in attainment of their goal to destroy Israel. Israel will commit war crimes in self defense.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Okay, I will leave it there.
They have destroyed Gaza! It's been flattened into rubble! You can ignore my posts all you want, but reality is still reality! And war crimes are war crimes! What a morally vacuous stance you have!
Ignatius A
Well-Known Member
It wasnt handed over to them in that condition in 2005 was it? No it wasnt. Wanting to eliminate your neighbor from the face of the earth doesn't usually work out well especially if that neighbor is bigger and stronger. Hamas could have done something in the intervening years to get along with their neighbor and make life better for Palestinians but nah why the hell do that right? Destroying Israel was and still is their goal. Support for Hamas is very strong among Palestinians. My sympathy for them disappeared years ago.
I advise eschewing the accusation that to support
Palestinians, & to criticize Israel is to support Hamas.
This really makes the poster look stupid & bigoted.
Ignatius A
Well-Known Member
What's always missing in the Israel hatred spread by the Palestine supporters is any condemnation of hamas. The Palestinian people sure arent too troubled by how hamas has behaved as their support of hamas is very strong
Provide proof for your claim they support for Hamas is "very strong among Palestinians", which I already know is untrue. Hamas has never enjoyed majority support. The only time their support goes up is when Israel is committing massacres and atrocities against them, which tends to make the people unhappy obviously. Hamas basically gained power as a protest vote against Fatah, which is largely seen as corrupt and sold out. They only got something like 30-36% of the vote in 2006.
And Israel has had Gaza under siege for almost 20 years, blockading all the borders with a brutal fencing and guard tower system around the land border. They control everything and everyone going in or out, and intercept all communications. That's still a form of occupation. During this time, Israel would bomb the hell out of them on and off (they call it "mowing the lawn"), including using white phosphorous munitions on civilians which is illegal. They've never left those people alone, never ceased occupying them and certainly have not recognized their right to self-determination.
Sidestepping the issue, eh.
I'll respond in kind....
What's always missing with Israel supporters is any
humanity towards non-Jews. They never criticize
genocide being committed.
Ignatius A
Well-Known Member
Palestinian poll shows a rise in Hamas support and close to 90% wanting US-backed Abbas to resign
The findings signal more difficulties for the Biden administration’s postwar vision for Gaza and raise questions about Israel’s goal of ending Hamas’ capabilities.
Given Israel's committing genocide against Palestinians,
Palestinian poll shows a rise in Hamas support and close to 90% wanting US-backed Abbas to resign
The findings signal more difficulties for the Biden administration’s postwar vision for Gaza and raise questions about Israel’s goal of ending Hamas’ capabilities.apnews.com
Hamas being Israel's enemy should be expected to rise
in popularity. Israel is the deadlier of the 2 terrorists.
So this shouldn't be used as criticism of Palestinians.
Ignatius A
Well-Known Member
No I'm discussing the only relevant issue. Hamas wants Israel eliminated. They have no desire for a 2 state solution. Gaza was handed over to them in 2005. They continued to attack Israel. As soon as they denounce their desire to destroy israel I will join you in condemning Israel. Until then all I hear is a 3 year old whining
Ignatius A
Well-Known Member
Yes they are which means Hamas/Palestinians are either stupid or suicidal.
That's the problem with fervent Zionists.
They see only their vengeance fueled perspective.
Others don't matter.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
You support Israel committing genocide because someone else did it too.
Using that logic, the allied forces would have been justified in committing genocide during WWII, because Hitler did it too.
Or desperate because Israel is killing them
& destroying everything they have, while
they watch their children starve & die.
Israel is causing it all to happen as it does.
Their own bigotry, sanctimony, myopia, self
obsession, narcissism, & lack of humanity for
others istheir worst enemey.
Ignatius A
Well-Known Member
Sure it matters but hamas wants Israel eliminated. They will accept nothing less. They apparently only see their vengeance fueled perspective right?