Gender Apartheid

[Ignatius A]

You support Israel committing genocide because someone else did it too.

Using that logic, the allied forces would have been justified in committing genocide during WWII, because Hitler did it too.

No that's not why

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Palestinian poll shows a rise in Hamas support and close to 90% wanting US-backed Abbas to resign

The findings signal more difficulties for the Biden administration’s postwar vision for Gaza and raise questions about Israel’s goal of ending Hamas’ capabilities.

apnews.com

As I suspected, it's not about supporting Hamas as a political party but supporting the armed resistance in the face of the Zionist devastation.

"Shikaki said that Gaza residents are more critical of Hamas than those in the West Bank, that support for Hamas typically spikes during periods of armed conflict before leveling out, and that even now most Palestinians do not back the militant group.

Despite the devastation, 57% of respondents in Gaza and 82% in the West Bank believe Hamas was correct in launching the October attack, the poll indicated. A large majority believed Hamas’ claims that it acted to defend a major Islamic shrine in Jerusalem against Jewish extremists and win the release of Palestinian prisoners. Only 10% said they believed Hamas has committed war crimes, with a large majority saying they did not see videos showing the militants committing atrocities."

If you notice, the Palestinians in the West Bank are more supportive because they're living under Fatah rule and are extremely angry at Fatah (the Palestinian Authority) for failing to stop their land being stolen and the brutality of the settler lunatics. The settler violence in the West Bank has been extremely awful for a few years now and has only gotten worse in the past year. Hundreds of Palestinians in the West Bank have been killed, and the Palestinian Authority also cracked down on their own people who were protesting in solidarity with Gaza. Abbas is seen as a total failure and traitor to Palestinians.

You can also see how polls change quickly:

Gazans increasingly back a two-state solution, as support for Hamas drops

Support for a two-state solution nearly doubled in Gaza, as fewer back “armed struggle” for an independent Palestinian state.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[Ignatius A]

Or desperate because Israel is killing them
& destroying everything they have, while
they watch their children starve & die.

Israel is causing it all to happen as it does.
Their own bigotry, sanctimony, myopia, self
obsession, narcissism, & lack of humanity for
others istheir worst enemey.

Let your Jew hatred out

Until hamas changes their stance in destroying israel I'm not impressed

 

[Revoltingest]

Sure it matters but hamas wants Israel eliminated.

And Israel wants Palestinians eliminated.
The difference is that Israel is actually capable of achieving this goal.
They're making great progress.....especially effective at killing children.
(They're extra fragile.)

If Israel stopped the brutal robbing & killing of Palestinians,
then it wouldn't be creating enemies who want it destroyed.
But to realize this useful understanding would mean dropping
its greed, inhumanity, & religious bigotry.

 

[Ignatius A]

As I suspected, it's not about supporting Hamas as a political party but supporting the armed resistance in the face of the Zionist devastation.

"Shikaki said that Gaza residents are more critical of Hamas than those in the West Bank, that support for Hamas typically spikes during periods of armed conflict before leveling out, and that even now most Palestinians do not back the militant group.

Despite the devastation, 57% of respondents in Gaza and 82% in the West Bank believe Hamas was correct in launching the October attack, the poll indicated. A large majority believed Hamas’ claims that it acted to defend a major Islamic shrine in Jerusalem against Jewish extremists and win the release of Palestinian prisoners. Only 10% said they believed Hamas has committed war crimes, with a large majority saying they did not see videos showing the militants committing atrocities."

If you notice, the Palestinians in the West Bank are more supportive because they're living under Fatah rule and are extremely angry at Fatah (the Palestinian Authority) for failing to stop their land being stolen and the brutality of the settler lunatics. The settler violence in the West Bank has been extremely awful for a few years now and has only gotten worse in the past year. Hundreds of Palestinians in the West Bank have been killed, and the Palestinian Authority also cracked down on their own people who were protesting in solidarity with Gaza. Abbas is seen as a total failure and traitor to Palestinians.

You can also see how polls change quickly:

Gazans increasingly back a two-state solution, as support for Hamas drops

Support for a two-state solution nearly doubled in Gaza, as fewer back “armed struggle” for an independent Palestinian state.

www.nbcnews.com

Lmbo. Hamas is their political party that is resisting israel. Lol you people crack me up

 

[Revoltingest]

Let your Jew hatred out

Bless your heart.
Your posts show how intelligent, thoughtful,
empathic, rational, & tolerant Zionists are.

 

[Ignatius A]

And Israel wants Palestinians eliminated.
The difference is that Israel is actually capable of achieving this goal.
They're making great progress.....especially effective at killing children.
(They're extra fragile.)

If Israel stopped the brutal robbing & killing of Palestinians,
then it wouldn't be creating enemies who want it destroyed.
But to realize this useful understanding would mean dropping
its greed, inhumanity, & religious bigotry.

But they haven't. Until they do you're just droning on

 

[Quagmire]

What I think I HAVE seen in this thread has surprised me:

- posters pushing back against the Golden Rule (because "subjective morality" ?)
- posters blaming "the west" for barbaric cultures in other parts of the world

Well, there's some truth to that: quite a bit of what we see going on in the third world is fallout from Western imperialism.

Not sure to what extent the plight of women under Sharia law can be blamed for that though.

I have seen very little supporting the idea that fighting the horrific misogyny outlined in the OP should be one of everyone's top priorities.

As for your thinly veiled suggestions that I'm lying,

*Edit: Let's say your argument strikes me as less than 100% sincere.

wow! Just wow! From a moderator?

Ah I see, so basically what you're saying is that since I work here, that is: since I volunteer a significant amount of my time for free to help keep this place running, and since you're a customer, that means I should kiss your *** because after all you're the customer, and the customer is always right.

LIke this is a restaurant, you're the patron, and I'm an uppity waiter who's just interrupted your dinner conversation.

Gosh boss should I get back in the kitchen?

Good luck with that.

You've noted my consistent criticisms of Islam, and I've agreed that that's my stance. And you still think I'm lying?

I'm suggesting you arent being entirely straightforward:

You keep trying to use, "let's stop talking about Gaza!" as an excuse not to address most of what I'm saying, regardless of the fact that I haven't mentioned Gaza once in this thread.

You're use a YouTube video to make a point in this thread and then try to claim that the point of the YouTube video isn't the same point that you're trying to make.

The video opens up with: "If you're out protesting wearing one of these, you have to go all the way and spend the day wearing one of these [an hijab].You can't side with the people who ruthlessly oppress women without at least getting a taste of what you're supporting".

Whether or not most of the information in the video is accurate the actual point of the video is based on a flawed premise: that most of the people protesting the war in Gaza are siding with Hamas and support the treatment of women under Hamas rule.

That just isn't true: most of the people out protesting now are doing so in spite of all that.

If you're going to use a video to make your point you have to accept some responsibility for the message in that video.

I will say this again - with jazz hands - MOST of the misogyny detailed in the OP is occurring in the Islamic world.

Uh huh, I don't think I've ever tried to suggest it wasn't.

I believe this is by far the largest human rights violation in the world. It is no coincidence that Muslim women are so frequently the victims of this barbarity.

In my opinion, extreme misogyny is baked into Islam.

Well, personally I would name the child slavery going on in the world today as the worst example of human rights violations going on in the world today, but you know, choose your poison.

Perhaps you're confused by the word "apartheid" in the thread's title?

No, I'm confused by your refusal to acknowledge that the point you're claiming to make with this thread and the point that Bill Maher is making in the video aren't the same point.

The fact that you are refusing to see it or acknowledge it is what makes me suspect that the point you're actually trying to make is more in line with the point the video makes then you're admitting, which is not "Care about this", but "Care about this instead of that".

Because we both know that typically that word is used in a different context. But these days that word carries a LOT of power, and I used it intentionally, because of the severity of the situation.

That's it dude. No hidden agenda.

You might want to brush up on your debate tactics a bit then, because throwing up straw man arguments and dancing around other people's questions doesn't exactly scream "Open and honest".

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Lmbo. Hamas is their political party that is resisting israel. Lol you people crack me up

Apparently you can't even read. Can't see reality, either. Waste of time trying with you.

 

[Revoltingest]

Until they do you're just droning on

 

[Revoltingest]

I have seen very little supporting the idea that fighting the horrific misogyny outlined in the OP should be one of everyone's top priorities.

We can't fight what we have no control over.
Misogyny is bad....we all get that.
But you made the debate more about Israel
& Palestinians.

 

[icehorse]

So what is your argument in regards to people like me, who are not normal nor dangerous? How do we fit into the Golden Rule, if we can't be treated like normal people?

The implication is that you're responding to something I said. But I never said anything like that. So your question is a type of strawman.

 

[Ignatius A]

Bless your heart.
Your posts show how intelligent, thoughtful,
empathic, rational, & tolerant Zionists are.

I don't have new hatred

I dont have hatred for hamas or Palestinians. They don't like what's happened. They want what they perceive as theirs but it's not going to happen. They will never get what they want. They could try and accept what is and join the 21st century or they can hold onto their wants and destroy themselves in the process. I don't have sympathy for people who refuse to see what's right in front of them.

 

[Ignatius A]

At least you realize it unlike hamas

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't have new hatred

It's old hatred?

I dont have hatred for hamas or Palestinians.

Suuuure ya don't.

I don't have sympathy for people who refuse to see what's right in front of them.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I don't have sympathy for people who refuse to see what's right in front of them.

 

[Ignatius A]

It's old hatred?

Sure ya don't.

Lol any

If anything I am apathetic toward them because they don't care enough about themselves to even try and make an effort to improve their circumstances.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

The implication is that you're responding to something I said. But I never said anything like that. So your question is a type of strawman.

So how do you write laws that not only include healthy people but also the unhealthy ones?

Well in general laws and policies are designed for healthy individuals. We do not - for example - allow murder, even if murder feels fine for a few individuals.

So please answer as per your post.

 

[Ignatius A]

It is funny but people STILL cant figure it out. Evidence ^^^^^

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

It is funny but people STILL cant figure it out. Evidence ^^^^^

I almost feel bad for you. Almost. None are so blind as those who refuse to see, as the saying goes.