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Gender Apartheid

icehorse

......unaffiliated...... anti-dogmatist
Premium Member
We can't fight what we have no control over.
Misogyny is bad....we all get that.
But you made the debate more about Israel
& Palestinians.
Really?

So the ten points I enumerated in the OP were all a smokescreen?
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Have you not noticed that I & many
others here have defended the rights
of Palestinians in the face of Israel
killing, torturing, robbing, & starving
them?
Very good. Maybe we're getting honest now.
I've been honest all along.
Give it a try.
Did they commit war crimes in the defense of those rights on oct 7?
Palestinians?
Not the civilians I speak of.

Are you still trying to justify genocide of all
Palestinians by painting them with that
dishonest broad brush?
 

Ignatius A

Well-Known Member
Have you not noticed that I & many
others here have defended the rights
of Palestinians in the face of Israel
killing, torturing, robbing, & starving
them?

I've been honest all along.
Give it a try.

Palestinians?
Not the civilians I speak of.

Are you still trying to justify genocide of all
Palestinians by painting them with that
dishonest broad brush?
Did hamas commit war crimes in the defense of their rights on oct 7? Yes or no? They either did or they didn't?
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Did hamas commit war crimes in the defense of their rights on oct 7? Yes or no? They either did it didn't?

Well, this started over 100 years ago, so I reject your premisses for asking the questions and ask some other others. Then I could include the current time and ask relevant questions, but I would never limit it to the short past and the present.
 

Ignatius A

Well-Known Member
Well, this started over 100 years ago, so I reject your premisses for asking the questions and ask some other others. Then I could include the current time and ask relevant questions, but I would never limit it to the short past and the present.
Did hamas commit war crimes in the defense of their rights on oct 7? Yes or no? They either did or they didn't?
 

Ignatius A

Well-Known Member
It's a legitimate question and your fear of answering it is obvious because you know the answer is "Yes". Once you acknowledge the rest falls apart like a house of cards. Hilarious
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
It's a legitimate question and your fear of answering it is obvious because you know the answer is "Yes".

I am not going to play your game of you state the rules and you declare the win. That is actually not how the world works. In the big picture you and I mean nothing for the fate of Israel-Palestine.
So I still reject your framing and your rules for winning.

Here is some logic for you. From a fact follows nothing but the fact in a complex world. So if something is a fact, there is still the rest of the world to consider as relevant. That is you problem. You think you win by reducing the world down to one fact. You don't!!!
 

Ignatius A

Well-Known Member
I am not going to play your game of you state the rules and you declare the win. That is actually not how the world works. In the big picture you and I mean nothing for the fate of Israel-Palestine.
So I still reject your framing and your rules for winning.

Here is some logic for you. From a fact follows nothing but the fact in a complex world. So if something is a fact, there is still the rest of the world to consider as relevant. That is you problem. You think you win by reducing the world down to one fact. You don't!!!
It's apparently a game to you. If hamas was defending their rights on Oct 7, as has been suggested, and if they didnt commit any war crimes in the pursuit of those rights, it should be pretty easy to say, "No" but you cant so now its a "game".
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
It's apparently a game to you. If hamas was defending their rights on Oct 7, as has been suggested, and if they didnt commit any war crimes in the pursuit of those rights, it should be pretty easy to say, "No" but you cant so NOW its a game.

The problem is that nothing follows from any isolated fact in a complex world.

You don't understand that, right?
 

Ignatius A

Well-Known Member
The problem is that nothing follows from any isolated fact in a complex world.

You don't understand that, right?
Something always follows from an isolated fact, you know that and that's why you're so afraid to answer. You want to isolate the actions of Hamas but not Israel. If hamas didn't commit war crimes on oct 7 it should be easy to say so but you can't. Its hilarious to observe this.
 

mikkel_the_dane

My own religion
Something always follows from an isolated fact, you know that and that's why you're so afraid to answer. You want to isolate the actions of Hamas but not Israel. If hamas didn't commit war crimes on oct 7 it should be easy to say so but you can't. Its hilarious to observe this.

Nothing follows as such from a yes or no answer to your question. Different people would react differently to both answers. You can observe it in this thread and other ones.

You are trying to frame a certain context and I don't do that anymore as per how you want it. That leads nowhere. Rather I point out what it is you are trying to do.
 

Ignatius A

Well-Known Member
Nothing follows as such from a yes or no answer to your question. Different people would react differently to both answers. You can observe it in this thread and other ones.

You are trying to frame a certain context and I don't do that anymore as per how you want it. That leads nowhere. Rather I point out what it is you are trying to do.
Hamas either did or did or did not commit crimes in defense of their "rights" on Oct 7. You know they did and this pathetic defense of their doing so is based on the wrongs previously perpetrated against them by Israel. You're perfectly fine with hamas doing it but not Israel.
 
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