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Genesis 3:16

Man to rule over woman. How is this not sexist?

That depends on how you define "rule" and if you think it is good or bad to be a ruler...

The greatest among you shall be your servant.
(New Testament | Matthew 23:11)

In some situations it is good to be a ruler (if the ruler is kind, just, honest, etc. etc.) In some situations it is good to be "with" rather than "in front of" others. It's all relative of coarse.

The word מָשַׁל (to rule) may have been a mistake in translation. Maybe the word מָשָׁל (become like) was meant. ...

Back to Genesis 3:16
16 He said to the woman:

I will intensify your labor pains;
you will bear children in anguish.​
Nasty ol' hormones! :eek:

Eve's desires would dominate her mind.

I think everyone can relate to how drugs will dominate a drug addict's life as an extreme example how a person can be dominated by their desires.

“And to the woman He said, "I will make most severe Your pangs in childbearing; In pain shall you bear children. Yet your urge shall be for your husband, And he shall rule over you."” (Gen. 3:16)

The last line of this verse has two keys words. The words “urge” and “rule”. The more we have an urge for something, the more that something has control over us. A good example would be a drug addict. The more the addict desires the drug, the more the drug rules the addict’s life. Keep in mind, the drug is passive not active. The drug does nothing on its own to control the addict’s life. It’s all on the addict.

Another way to look at desire is separation or division. We cannot desire something we already have. We must reach out and grasp it. It is something beyond us.

H8669
תּשׁוּקה
teshûqâh
tesh-oo-kaw'
From H7783 in the original sense of stretching out after; a longing: - desire.

I'm reading an enlightening kindle e-book titled 'The beast that crouches at the door', written by Rabbi Fohrman.
Gen 3:16 is not sexist if viewed from a non-preconceived non-sexist perspective.
All the responses above are clarified and linked together in the e-book.

Info from the book clarifies the Hebrew word for 'rule' also means 'parable' so when we experience something new/raw (& maybe initially overwhelming) & need to make sense of it & know how to deal with it, then a parable can direct (rule) our understanding of an experience through an example of something familiar we can handle. Eve had just discovered she had raw desires/base lusts (governed by senses of touch, sight etc) which she had directed at the knowledge tree (nice to the eye etc) & God said these raw energies/sensuous desires would now be directed towards her husband who was to responsibly direct this raw energy ... Gen 3:16 ... thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.God doesn't say the raw sensual desire is wrong & should be eliminated, but instead highlights that it needs direction. (a good ruler shouldn't crush or eliminate the people he rules over, but instead should direct their raw energy for best outcomes)

God shows we can desire something we have, but this different sort of desire is from abundance rather than from lack eg God desires to shower mercy and love on us; not because God lacks, but because He overflows

God shows in Torah that He is not sexist & He uses women, whether single or married eg Deborah, as national leaders & prophets etc, & God told Abraham to heed Sarah etc so we can know Gen 3:16 really has nothing to do with sexism or silencing women, which has errantly been promoted by some.

Marriage relationships would be a lot healthier if men were loving & responsible (Adam had previously placidly stood by & then participated when Eve erred) & women desired their husbands like an addictive drug ... that is what Gen 3:16 is about. God gave His Law for our good always Deut 6:24.

Scripture also helps clarify another point. Sin and desire are feminine nouns which fact has sometimes caused disdain for women, yet the wooing/seducing party (eg 'beloved') is a masculine noun, which can help explain why 'his' desire is specified (yet often overlooked) in Gen 4:7.
Gen 3:16 ...and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
Gen 4:7 ... and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.
Son 7:10 I am my beloved's, and his desire is toward me.
Food for thought :)
 

Tumah

Veteran Member
Your logic seems backwards to me.
If G-d is good and anything He declares can only be ultimately good. Then it doesn't matter whether we subjectively perceive that declaration in a negative light or not as it is objectively good. G-d Himself is not a physical man or woman. If He makes a declaration that subjugates women to man (as in the verse quoted) or man to woman (Gen. 21:12) it is not a result of some discrimination that is innate to Him.

What you really should be asking is: do you believe that G-d wrote Scriptures? Once you've answered that question, the rest becomes irrelevant.
 
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