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Georgia Guidestones?

Eddi

Christianity, Taoism, and Humanism
Premium Member
In the American state of Georgia there is a monument called the Georgia Guidestones

It consists of several slabs of granite with words carved into them

The inscriptions that are upon them have attracted a lot of attention from conspiracy theorists and nobody knows the true identity of whoever paid for them

And yes, it does sound a lot like something to do with The Illuminati, or something like that

Here is a link to their wikipedia article

What do people think about the actual inscriptions?

This is what is written on them, in several languages:
  1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
  2. Guide reproduction wisely — improving fitness and diversity.
  3. Unite humanity with a living new language.
  4. Rule passion — faith — tradition — and all things with tempered reason.
  5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
  6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
  7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
  8. Balance personal rights with social duties.
  9. Prize truth — beauty — love — seeking harmony with the infinite.
  10. Be not a cancer on the Earth — Leave room for nature — Leave room for nature.
I think that on the whole they are good apart from the fist two:

"Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature"

To get humanity to 500,000,000 people would require killing 13 out of every 14 people. So no, let's not make that an aim!

Sounds rather sinister to me

Then there is the second one:

"Guide reproduction wisely — improving fitness and diversity"

I think this one is also quite sinister

However, I mostly agree with the rest:

3) Unite humanity with a living new language.
4) Rule passion — faith — tradition — and all things with tempered reason.
5) Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
6) Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
7) Avoid petty laws and useless officials
8) Balance personal rights with social duties.
9) Prize truth — beauty — love — seeking harmony with the infinite.
10) Be not a cancer on the Earth — Leave room for nature — Leave room for nature.

What do people think?

Personally I find the whole thing somewhat creepy...

I think depopulating the world is an over-reaching theme

And I don't believe in depopulating the world

Although granted, the world is currently over-populated and humankind is way out of balance with nature
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Leaving the first "commandment" aside, I guess we all agree that the world is supposed to be a world of justice, truth, equality, peace, where men live in harmony with nature and where wildlife is protected and respected.

Besides, as for the one world language, there is already one: English. And it does unite peoples because we can communicate with any nation thanks to this language.

As for the number of the world population, I guess that you cannot impose that small number on nations.
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
In the American state of Georgia there is a monument called the Georgia Guidestones

It consists of several slabs of granite with words carved into them

The inscriptions that are upon them have attracted a lot of attention from conspiracy theorists and nobody knows the true identity of whoever paid for them

And yes, it does sound a lot like something to do with The Illuminati, or something like that

Here is a link to their wikipedia article

What do people think about the actual inscriptions?

This is what is written on them, in several languages:
  1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
  2. Guide reproduction wisely — improving fitness and diversity.
  3. Unite humanity with a living new language.
  4. Rule passion — faith — tradition — and all things with tempered reason.
  5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
  6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
  7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
  8. Balance personal rights with social duties.
  9. Prize truth — beauty — love — seeking harmony with the infinite.
  10. Be not a cancer on the Earth — Leave room for nature — Leave room for nature.
I think that on the whole they are good apart from the fist two:

"Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature"

To get humanity to 500,000,000 people would require killing 13 out of every 14 people. So no, let's not make that an aim!

Sounds rather sinister to me

Then there is the second one:

"Guide reproduction wisely — improving fitness and diversity"

I think this one is also quite sinister

However, I mostly agree with the rest:

3) Unite humanity with a living new language.
4) Rule passion — faith — tradition — and all things with tempered reason.
5) Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
6) Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
7) Avoid petty laws and useless officials
8) Balance personal rights with social duties.
9) Prize truth — beauty — love — seeking harmony with the infinite.
10) Be not a cancer on the Earth — Leave room for nature — Leave room for nature.

What do people think?

Personally I find the whole thing somewhat creepy...

I think depopulating the world is an over-reaching theme

And I don't believe in depopulating the world

Although granted, the world is currently over-populated and humankind is way out of balance with nature

Reducing the population wouldn't necessarily entail killing people. It can also be done through reduced birth rates and letting people age and expire at their own speed.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
Reducing the population wouldn't necessarily entail killing people. It can also be done through reduced birth rates and letting people age and expire at their own speed.
Was going to say that. The command says "maintain" - which is weird because last time it has been that low was about 1600.
My estimate for a sustainable earth population is 2 billion. That may rise with more sustainable technology.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
In the American state of Georgia there is a monument called the Georgia Guidestones

It consists of several slabs of granite with words carved into them

The inscriptions that are upon them have attracted a lot of attention from conspiracy theorists and nobody knows the true identity of whoever paid for them

And yes, it does sound a lot like something to do with The Illuminati, or something like that

Here is a link to their wikipedia article

What do people think about the actual inscriptions?

This is what is written on them, in several languages:
  1. Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.
  2. Guide reproduction wisely — improving fitness and diversity.
  3. Unite humanity with a living new language.
  4. Rule passion — faith — tradition — and all things with tempered reason.
  5. Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
  6. Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
  7. Avoid petty laws and useless officials.
  8. Balance personal rights with social duties.
  9. Prize truth — beauty — love — seeking harmony with the infinite.
  10. Be not a cancer on the Earth — Leave room for nature — Leave room for nature.
I think that on the whole they are good apart from the fist two:

"Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature"

To get humanity to 500,000,000 people would require killing 13 out of every 14 people. So no, let's not make that an aim!

Sounds rather sinister to me

Then there is the second one:

"Guide reproduction wisely — improving fitness and diversity"

I think this one is also quite sinister

However, I mostly agree with the rest:

3) Unite humanity with a living new language.
4) Rule passion — faith — tradition — and all things with tempered reason.
5) Protect people and nations with fair laws and just courts.
6) Let all nations rule internally resolving external disputes in a world court.
7) Avoid petty laws and useless officials
8) Balance personal rights with social duties.
9) Prize truth — beauty — love — seeking harmony with the infinite.
10) Be not a cancer on the Earth — Leave room for nature — Leave room for nature.

What do people think?

Personally I find the whole thing somewhat creepy...

I think depopulating the world is an over-reaching theme

And I don't believe in depopulating the world

Although granted, the world is currently over-populated and humankind is way out of balance with nature
One would not have to kill people. Though it might take some pretty draconian birth control laws for about four or five generations at least to achieve that goal. Governments could allow one child per woman and then require sterilization. I know that is very extreme and I am not advocating it. But tt would eventually get the population back down to that 500,000,000 goal. That goal also appears to be very arbitrary to me so I am not advocating for that either.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
One would not have to kill people. Though it might take some pretty draconian birth control laws for about four or five generations at least to achieve that goal. Governments could allow one child per woman and then require sterilization. I know that is very extreme and I am not advocating it. But tt would eventually get the population back down to that 500,000,000 goal. That goal also appears to be very arbitrary to me so I am not advocating for that either.
"One interpretation of the stones is that they describe the basic concepts required to rebuild a devastated civilization.[2] Author Brad Meltzer notes that the stones were built in 1979 at the height of the Cold War, and thus argues that they may have been intended as a message to the possible survivors of a nuclear World War III. The engraved suggestion to keep humanity's population below 500 million could have been made under the assumption that war had already reduced humanity below this number.[11]" from the Wikipedia article
 

Stevicus

Veteran Member
Staff member
Premium Member
"One interpretation of the stones is that they describe the basic concepts required to rebuild a devastated civilization.[2] Author Brad Meltzer notes that the stones were built in 1979 at the height of the Cold War, and thus argues that they may have been intended as a message to the possible survivors of a nuclear World War III. The engraved suggestion to keep humanity's population below 500 million could have been made under the assumption that war had already reduced humanity below this number.[11]" from the Wikipedia article

I read that, too. It does seem strange that someone would do that, yet still try to stay anonymous, which adds a certain aura of mystery to its origins. Why would someone go to the trouble and expense of doing this, and why in this place?

Not that I have any problem with the message contained therein, and in fact, I'm wondering if the creator of these stones was hoping that others would do the same thing. Why don't we see this message on stones all over the country? Why just here?

The article also mentioned that a lot of people don't like these stones, thinking they have some kind of "Satanic" message. They want them destroyed. Some see it as threatening a "new world order." And the people (some granite company) who were commissioned to build the stones originally thought the creator was some "nut" and deliberately priced it too high so as to discourage him.

I'm also thinking back to those recent sightings of mysterious obelisks that appeared and disappeared in various spots. I don't know if they ever figured that one out.
 

Heyo

Veteran Member
I read that, too. It does seem strange that someone would do that, yet still try to stay anonymous, which adds a certain aura of mystery to its origins. Why would someone go to the trouble and expense of doing this, and why in this place?

Not that I have any problem with the message contained therein, and in fact, I'm wondering if the creator of these stones was hoping that others would do the same thing. Why don't we see this message on stones all over the country? Why just here?

The article also mentioned that a lot of people don't like these stones, thinking they have some kind of "Satanic" message. They want them destroyed. Some see it as threatening a "new world order." And the people (some granite company) who were commissioned to build the stones originally thought the creator was some "nut" and deliberately priced it too high so as to discourage him.

I'm also thinking back to those recent sightings of mysterious obelisks that appeared and disappeared in various spots. I don't know if they ever figured that one out.
It looks to me as if a humanist organisation ("Illuminati") could have done it for future humans after an apocalypse. Iirc from a documentary I've seen years ago, the place is unlikely to be hit by a natural catastrophe or a misguided missile. No fault line, high enough to not be flooded and far away from bomb targets.
 
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