Girl, 6, Handcuffed in school because of temper tantrum.

[enchanted_one1975]

Of course it's the parents' job. So why aren't they doing it?

None of us knows what steps the parents were doing to work on the child's issues. All we know is the state has stepped in without parental consent at a time when a medical emergency was not present.

 

[Smoke]

Has anyone gone back to check what kind of dreams the other children are having after this 6 year old was handcuffed and dragged out like a felon?

There's nothing in the story to indicate that the
staff gathered the other children into the principal's office to watch.

 

[enchanted_one1975]

There's nothing in the story to indicate that the
staff gathered the other children into the principal's office to watch.

Think they pulled the patrol car into the principal's office so no other students could see the little girl getting dragged across the parking lot and put in the back seat? I doubt it. I consider my magick pretty powerful but even I can't fit a Ford Crown Victoria through a typical school door, down a hallway, and into an office.

 

[DallasApple]

Are you saying the child posed an immediate danger to herself? Was she trying to cut her wrists? Was she trying to climb out a window? Run out into traffic? I don't see where putting a 6 year old girl into a rehab center without parental consent is a medical emergency. To be defined as a medical emergency it must be life or limb threatening, the last time I checked.

No she was slinging calculaters and punching an 8 month pregnant adult woman for the second day in a row.

And they didnt "put her in a rehab" center the child is at home now with her mother.

And I do consider it a medical emergency if a 6 year old child is in the throws of a violent fit that has the intentions of doing harm to me or anyone else for two days in a row.

Having said that what they should have done was just expel her permenently.Told the parents one or both of them had to quit their jobs and stay home and home school her or make other arrangements.

That second day the police "again" should have been special needs bus service and dropped her off at the mothers place of employment (where she went after KNOWING her child was brought home by the police the day before) and said do NOT bring her back to school ..you need to contact the school to get information on having your child placed in a special needs fascility .

Love

Dallas

 

[Circle_One]

Did anyone think maybe the parents should have been called instead? Geeze! Am I the only one here that thinks it is a parent's job, not the state's, to raise a child?

Yeah, except obviously, the parents aren't raising her, are they? If they were, she wouldn't be acting the way she did.

I can tell you no child of mine would ever throw a tantrum like that. Justyce sure as hell would never have the balls to even THINK he could get away with something like that. I'd beat his *** before the thought even left his mind.

 

[DallasApple]

There's nothing in the story to indicate that the
staff gathered the other children into the principal's office to watch.

No the only indication is that the little girl started her violent fits in the class room where the other children were.

But I have no doubt..that children were horribly traumatised by the fact Haley was back the next day to do it again.

Here is what would be traumatising IMHO ..if you are expected to behave ..and you do ..and someone else is expected to behave and they dont..nothing happens to them .

And all you are trying to do is learn to write your name and get along with others and ask permission to use the restroom .While one child gets all the attention because she is bad.

Love

Dallas

 

[Smoke]

None of us knows what steps the parents were doing to work on the child's issues. All we know is the state has stepped in without parental consent at a time when a medical emergency was not present.

We know exactly what steps the parents were taking: None.

They didn't bother to show up for appointments at the school, and the mother insists that "There is absolutely nothing wrong with my child."

I agree with you, though, that child services needs to be involved. Maybe they could find out where this kid's rage is coming from.

 

[McBell]

Rant? I am a former police officer. I had my share of dealing with brats at school. I followed procedure though. Any problem children were referred to CYFD (Children Youth Family Division). Had I acted as this deputy has I would expect the child to be using my house as a clubhouse and that my pension would be the child's college fund.

Yet you have failed not once, but twice, to even acknowledge my request for any law anywhere in the USA that states a minor cannot be handcuffed.....

 

[McBell]

None of us knows what steps the parents were doing to work on the child's issues. All we know is the state has stepped in without parental consent at a time when a medical emergency was not present.

The state stepped in?
Where did you get this idea?
There is NOTHING the the linked article about the state stepping in.
Perhaps you can give us a link to the article you read that the state stepped in?

 

[DallasApple]

We know exactly what steps the parents were taking: None.

They didn't bother to show up for appointments at the school, and the mother insists that "There is absolutely nothing wrong with my child."

I agree with you, though, that child services needs to be involved. Maybe they could find out where this kid's rage is coming from.

Smoke..dont you understand?..She (the mother) had car problems.

But apparently the day AFTER her 6 year old daughter was brought home from kindergarten by the police in handcuffs ..she went to work the next day..Somehow the child made it to school and the mother with transportation problems made it to work the day after ...

Did ya'll notice the mother works at a day care center?

Love

Dallas

 

[DallasApple]

That's not what Florida state statute says. By emergency are you saying the child's life or limbs were in immediate danger to where taking the time to call a parent would have been unreasonable?

The parents WERE CALLED!

Where did it ever say the parents werent called?

Sounds like not only were they CALLED the day previous their daughter was taken home in a police car.

How is that not "called"?

Love

Dallas

 

[Walkntune]

The adults were probably idiots(sorry to sound harsh but the child could be effected for life from such a stupid incident when maybe a caring ear would have solved it) and instead of trying to reason with why the child was upset they tried to enforce more control elevating the issue.There must be a cause for the effect but who cares why the child is upset.It's about control right?

 

[DallasApple]

The adults were probably idiots and instead of trying to reason with why the child was upset they tried to enforce more control elevating the issue.There must be a cause for the effect but who cares why the child is upset.It's about control right?

You're totally right.

No need to try and control a 6 year old on a rampage..We arent talkign about a 2 year old or even 4..At six you shouldnt be having to reason with a child NOT to throw a calculator or a pencil sharpner across the room or physically attack people when its chronic behavior.

And no one or at least I havent said I dont care about where the behavoir is coming from or why the child is upset.In fact the opposite.

Its the parents blowing it off saying "she has a tempor problem" .As if its just the way she was born.They are the ones not adressing the root or the cause.Schools are not designed or equipped or required to be pediatric child pshychiatric and pshychology centers.That woudl be nice.

If it was only about "controlling " the child why in the hell were the school officials wanting to talk to the parents?To get their permission to handcuff her when she threw a fit?

Love

Dallas

 

[Walkntune]

And no one or at least I havent said I dont care about where the behavoir is coming from or why the child is upset.In fact the opposite.

My post is aimed at the adults in that situation only and no
one in the forum.
Sorry if you took it personal.
Funny how nothing was mentioned on what the child was being told to do.'
It could be relevant if it is something fear based like get in front of the class or speak in public.

 

[DallasApple]

My post is aimed at the adults in that situation only and no
one in the forum.
Sorry if you took it personal.
Funny how nothing was mentioned on what the child was being told to do.'
It could be relevant if it is something fear based like get in front of the class or speak in public.

I didnt take it personally only wanted to clarify my thoughts and opinions..

But if what the child was being "told to do" caused her for two days in a row to have a violent meltdown (assuming the other children were told to do the same things as well that didnt have a violent meltdown) then its the same difference.Lots of kids dont like some stuff we have to do in school..But if her reaction to it being requested of her is punching people and throwing objects and if this is on many occasions over various "reasonable" request she has some emotional problems.

Im sure there was a "trigger".

And you seem to be missing something..BEFORE these two incidences the parents had been contacted to have a meeting to discuss her behavioral issues.She was having issues before the two days mentioned .

It doesnt sound like she was a happy go lucky reasonably well behaved child and then suddenly the school requested of her to "do something" that terrified her and she had a singular meltdown over that.

That is completely different..

In the article her OWN parents "admitted" she had a "temper problem"..which I wont read too much into accept it sounds to me they were well aware she had demostrated an inability to control herself in the past.

Love

Dallas

 

[Walkntune]

I personally blame it on the state for not allowing paddling in schools.Instead we will just correct them by committing them to mental institutions. This problem wasn't very common when I was in school.

Spare the rod, spoil the child right?

 

[enchanted_one1975]

The parents WERE CALLED!

Where did it ever say the parents werent called?

Sounds like not only were they CALLED the day previous their daughter was taken home in a police car.

How is that not "called"?

If the parent's were called the call should have included things like, "come and get your child now." While the article is not very detailed there would be no reason for a deputy to haul off a 6 year old to a mental facility with parents already notified and on their way to get the child. Does this sound like a mother that had given any consent for her child to be committed?

"I was terrified," mother Kathy Franklin said. "I left work crying, terrified. Where is my baby? What are they doing with my baby?"

I don't think so. Again, I do not see where anything indicates that this child was involved in a situation deemed to be a medical emergency which threatened life or limb so neither the school or law enforcement has any right in making such decisions. Not to mention that the deputy decided to commit a felony level aggravated battery upon the minor child. Whether these parents were good parents or not is not indicated by the article. If the school felt a 6 year old was that dangerous they should have suspended her for as long as it took to correct the problem. There is no reason to injure a 6 year old child!

 

[DallasApple]

The sheriff's report said she was yelling, throwing things and hit the principal, who is eight months pregnant. This time, she wasn't handcuffed. She was committed to a mental facility.

"I was terrified," mother Kathy Franklin said. "I left work crying, terrified. Where is my baby? What are they doing with my baby?"

Here is whats really sick..this woman had ZERO concern that the 8 month pregnant principle had been struck either by objects being flung at her or by her daughters hand.

Love

Dallas

 

[enchanted_one1975]

Yet you have failed not once, but twice, to even acknowledge my request for any law anywhere in the USA that states a minor cannot be handcuffed.....

I am sorry I do not have a link to the source on hand. And that may not be Florida's state law. I know I was not allowed to handcuff 6 year olds when I was a police officer, nor would I have felt the need to traumatize a child in that way.

The state stepped in?
Where did you get this idea?
There is NOTHING the the linked article about the state stepping in.
Perhaps you can give us a link to the article you read that the state stepped in?

I am sorry I was under the impression that it was a law enforcement official that did this, that she was taken away in a police car, and that this all took place at a publicly regulated school. Are we now saying it was a family member that handcuffed the child and dragged her away in a stolen squad car or something? I would like to hear how this has nothing to do with the state.

 

[DallasApple]

I personally blame it on the state for not allowing paddling in schools.Instead we will just correct them by committing them to mental institutions. This problem wasn't very common when I was in school.

Spare the rod, spoil the child right?

How do you know Haley has been "spared the rod"?

For all we know her parents started beating the **** out of her "spanking her" from birth.

For all you know her violent out burst and solutions to deal with her anger or stress is to hit because she has been taught thats how to deal with conflict or negative emotions..

Love

Dallas