stvdv
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Exactly, they follow their Dharma
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Go and sin no more...
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stvdv
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It all starts with wrong diet, hence a cow won't have that problem (unless he is fed wrong diet). Has nothing to do with my religion. Even Genesis starts with given the Dharmic diet that would prevent such problem from happening
Says your religion of not eating meat. I think you're just attempting to change the subject into an argument about vegetarianism. Judaism has meat eating in it. They literally have to occasionally eat meat if their temple is ever rebuilt. Some few believe they must do so anyway even without the temple. Christians don't have to eat meat, but our apostle (Paul) specifically allows for it, everything except human meat. Hindus don't like this, but we're talking about Christian religion and how what Jesus means when he says "Go and sin no more" to the Samaritan lady. We don't have a story of Jesus eating beef, but we definitely have a story of him eating fish and of his parents sacrificing doves as part of his birth rituals. That is killing and eating meat. Fish meat is no better for one's teeth and beef is and might be even worse for teeth.
The horror of killing is real, and cows are of course vegetarians who hold very little threat to humans. I understand this and why you view this as an evil. I empathize, but for a Christian its either not a sin or a very minor one such as any other dietary choice. To us its merely one more kind of protein even though we are aware that it comes through killing. We don't hate the cows. We eat them, but its not out of hate. We are also not proud of eating them and don't enjoy slaughtering. We consider ourselves to be part of their natural cycle of birth and death.
That is a difficult argument to sustain. In Genesis 3 Abel's animal sacrifice is approved of by the L-RD. In Genesis 9 it says Noah is told that the animals will be food for him. That isn't far from chapter 1. It is debatable whether the author of Genesis thinks Adam is wrong to eat the fruit and to become knowledgeable as gods about good and evil. Therefore it is debatable whether a Christian must consult another being about whether it is wrong to eat meat.
If I were to generalize about Christianity and sin: Everything is a sin, but its not a sin to choose the lesser of sins. Sitting on your backside doing nothing is a sin. Doing something good is not as good as doing something better. Even sleeping is a sin, because you could be dying for God's glory instead; but its less of a sin than killing yourself. etc. There's nothing you can do in Christianity to not sin except to choose lesser sinful ways. That's what I think.
Do you love your parents? You could love them more.
"The Lord cannot look on sin with the least degree of allowance," so what was Jesus supposed to say?
What did Jesus means when he told the adulteress to go and sin no more? Did that mean it was possible for her to live without sin?
How about, "Your sins are forgiven?"
"I the Lord will forgive whom I will forgive, but of you it is required to forgive all men."
Ok, is it possible for us to get it right?
Ok, just saying that perhaps he could have said something less ambiguous.
These are all quotes from the book of Mormon? Fascinating views of God. Interesting. Very different than from the Bible.
My bad I thought they were BIblical. Anyway, happy you liked them.
I agree attempting to suppress our desires can be unhealthy. However do you think we can lose our desire to harm and to hate?
Personally I think this is possible. If possible, would that be enough or is something else needed?
Try Matthew 6:14.
Is sin then a matter of making a mistake?
I like to say that I'll be making mistakes until the day I die.
My mistakes generally result from a state of ignorance/lack of knowing the right thing to do.
I can't help my ignorance. Maybe I can learn afterwards, but at the time of action/decision I can't have knowledge of something I don't.
I'm not speaking in absolutes but about sin in various contexts. Genesis is one context. Jewish law is the same or a related context. In the law a Jew is choosing between life and death for his people, not between good and evil. For him evil and disaster are the same not merely related. To him sin is that which brings disaster upon his entire nation and upon himself and possibly his kin or descendants. Evil is that disaster which such sin brings. By keeping the Torah his people is preserved -- as is hope for many other things. For example there is hope for the world to improve, for Abraham to bless all people in some way. Jewish law includes obeying his parents. Breaking the Torah brings plagues and other problems. It is analogous to USA if we do not uphold the values and principles in the constitution -- not superstitiously but rather practically we believe in these principles. That is, the Jew is required to keep the Torah not to believe particularly in various superstitious ideas; but his parents may require him to believe things and to pass on those beliefs.
Some do believe in (what I consider to be) superstitious ideas, and some are required to by their parents, which makes those beliefs law. This is a different process from what Christians experience. We don't believe because of the law. If the parents require belief of a Jew then it is law, because the law says to obey parents. This is one area in which believing in the US constitution and its values differs from Jewish faith and also where it differs for Christians. If my father believes it was good for us to fight in Vietnam but I don't agree, that's not an issue; but if a Jewish man's father tells him to believe that the Vietnam war was necessary then he must believe so.
So remember that Judaism begins not as a religion but as a polity. Christianity the opposite, begins in belief leading to obedience. Judaism is a traveling religion, a religion which endures conquests, centuries or millennia of invasions. It is the religion of the oppressed seeking solace from conquistadors and colonizers. Sin (originally) is that which brings tragedy upon the nation. God only becomes a topic later in the life of the nation, long after Moses dies. In Christianity sin is the disaster in the human heart, corrupting all things. The tongue is a viper full of poison.
Sin in Christianity can be an entirely different situation with entirely different reasoning, depending upon whom you speak with. For us its sometimes like a sentient tar which opposes all that is good. Other times we view it like the Jews do: something which is a bad idea and which harms us. Still other times we view it as something which God hates and hates in us.
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I think he meant what he said, sin no more and I believe it is possible and should happen, because eternal life is promised for righteous:
These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Mat. 25:46
For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23
And if one is righteous, he doesn’t sin:
He who does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. To this end the Son of God was revealed, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whoever is born of God doesn't commit sin, because his seed remains in him; and he can't sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are revealed, and the children of the devil. Whoever doesn't do righteousness is not of God, neither is he who doesn't love his brother.
1 John 3:7-10
But, sin is not necessary the same that person is perfect. I believe it means person is loyal to God and doesn’t reject God, because:
But the righteous will live by faith. If he shrinks back, my soul has no pleasure in him.
Hebrews 10:38
Jesus said unto him, “If thou canst believe, all things are possible to him that believeth.”
Even freedom from sin?
What did Jesus means when he told the adulteress to go and sin no more? Did that mean it was possible for her to live without sin?
He was probably looking for someone qualified enough to throw the first stone during those events.
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- viole
King James has John 8:1-11, but those first eleven verses apparently were added on.
What did Jesus means when he told the adulteress to go and sin no more? Did that mean it was possible for her to live without sin?
Most early versions do Not have those verses.
One version has those verses at the very end of John's gospel account.
Another version puts those verses after Luke 21 verse 38.
Thus, that supports the conclusion that those eleven verses and Not part of the original.
We can think that of sinning No more as: sin No more -> on purpose, deliberately, intentionally, wilfully
- Hebrews 10:26
We have freedom in the sense that Jesus paid a ransom price to free us from sin - Matthew 20:28.
This gives us the freedom to act responsibly toward God.
In other words, we are Not free to deliberately, intentionally, wilfully sin. No free to practice sin.
Good point ^ above ^ because there are various kinds of errors, sins/crime.
Sin would be either: premeditated or not, on purpose or not, intentional or not, by accident or not.......