God and Logic?

[rojse]

Is God's actions constrained by logic, or is God able to circumvent logical laws? Why or why not? Or is a question involving God and logical laws inherently meaningless?

 

[Thief]

Thief here...inherently problematic for sure...
Just came away from "disproving God with the laws of logic".
Waiting to see a decent rebuttal, there.

As for this thread,
God is the cause (genesis), but He had no cause to do so.

 

[Cordoba]

Take a primary school boy and put him in a physics post-doctoral lecture

Would it all make sense to him?

A child uses basic logic, but does he understand all levels of logic?

 

[richardlowellt]

Is God's actions constrained by logic, or is God able to circumvent logical laws? Why or why not? Or is a question involving God and logical laws inherently meaningless?

Yes, gods actions are constrained by logic. We are unable to apply logic to things imagined.

 

[richardlowellt]

Thief here...inherently problematic for sure...
Just came away from "disproving God with the laws of logic".
Waiting to see a decent rebuttal, there.

As for this thread,
God is the cause (genesis), but He had no cause to do so.

genesis says God is the cause, but Genesis is loaded with impossibilities and illogical events, given the number of errors contained in Genesis how can anyone believe anything it has to say?

 

[richardlowellt]

Take a primary school boy and put him in a physics post-doctoral lecture

Would it all make sense to him?

A child uses basic logic, but does he understand all levels of logic?

No but we are adults and understand basic logic just fine. There are no "levels" of logic, something either is or is not logical.

 

[Dunemeister]

God's thought provides the basis for logic. Logic is the "form" of God's thought.

 

[Cordoba]

No but we are adults and understand basic logic just fine. There are no "levels" of logic, something either is or is not logical.

Does our "understanding" of what surrounds us mature with time?

A long time ago, people used logic and reached the conclusion that the earth is flat, as the sun rises from one end (the east) and sets the other end (the west)

It took a major change of paradigms for humanity to appreciate that that early logic was incorrect

With our better understanding today of the universe and what surrounds us, are we not going through similar changes of paradigms, and therefore is our logical thinking not maturing?

 

[richardlowellt]

God's thought provides the basis for logic. Logic is the "form" of God's thought.

Nice vague description. I order to have thoughts one must have a being, yes? I know this must get tiring, but what evidence do you have that this being exists? What would lead you to the conclusion that this imaginary beings thought are the basis for logic?

 

[richardlowellt]

Does our "understanding" of what surrounds us mature with time?

A long time ago, people used logic and reached the conclusion that the earth is flat, as the sun rises from one end (the east) and sets the other end (the west)

It took a major change of paradigms for humanity to appreciate that that early logic was incorrect

With our better understanding today of the universe and what surrounds us, are we not going through similar changes of paradigms, and therefore is our logical thinking not maturing?

No I don't think people used logic to conclude the earth was flat, they had absolutely no information to come to that conclusion. It was a lack of information that lead them to believe in a flat earth. Is it logical to come to a conclusion without information?

 

[dogsgod]

God and logic, like oil and water they don't mix.

 

[Arlanbb]

No I don't think people used logic to conclude the earth was flat, they had absolutely no information to come to that conclusion. It was a lack of information that lead them to believe in a flat earth. Is it logical to come to a conclusion without information?

The Hebrews were the first to come to the logical conclusion that the earth was flat by reading the Hebrew writings, then the early Christian church follow suit for over many many hundreds of years preaching that the earth had 4 corners and was flat.:shout

 

[arimoff]

The Hebrews were the first to come to the logical conclusion that the earth was flat by reading the Hebrew writings, then the early Christian church follow suit for over many many hundreds of years preaching that the earth had 4 corners and was flat.:shout

You are wrong my friend, Hebrews never believed the earth is flat.

 

[arimoff]

I think all His actions have to be according to logic in order to always leave freedom of choice for us to believe or not, that constant struggle. You can take anything in this world and look at it both ways.

 

[Thief]

Thief here...Hey Rick!...
Your rebuttal to my post #2 is illogical.
I did not use the word genesis in reference to the Book.
Your conclusion is in error.

 

[MSizer]

Take a primary school boy and put him in a physics post-doctoral lecture

Would it all make sense to him?

A child uses basic logic, but does he understand all levels of logic?

That's how we support our claims? By stating that they're impossible to understand? How can you claim it then?

The Koran states both that god is almighty, and that his word doesn't change. That's impossible. If he is almighty, he could have created a world where murder was wrong until 2009, but afterward, it's right. If that's so (and if god is almighty it is perfectly possible) then his word is not unchanging.

The utter weakness of the claim is totally exposed in the supporter resorting to "well, there's no way to understand it, so it has to be fully accepted without explanation".

 

[rojse]

The Koran states both that god is almighty, and that his word doesn't change. That's impossible. If he is almighty, he could have created a world where murder was wrong until 2009, but afterward, it's right.

But God did not, which neuters your following argument.

 

[MSizer]

But God did not, which neuters your following argument.

How do you know that he didn't?

We are infantile in intelligence and understanding according to god, right? So, we can't possibly claim to know either god's intentions nor all of his actions.

 

[Thief]

Thief here...the logic is failing...
God is the Almighty because no one can set aside His will.
If His 'word' could be undone, He would not be 'The Almighty'.

We can know God.
A creation is a reflection of it's creator.

His intention can be obvious.
He created Man as companion....multiplied by millions of replications.
He will choose.

And why choose from mediocrity when the very best is at hand to choose from?

Now...was that so hard?

 

[rojse]

How do you know that he didn't?

We are infantile in intelligence and understanding according to god, right? So, we can't possibly claim to know either god's intentions nor all of his actions.

If we were to go with Christian theology, none of the Ten Commandments endorse murder. Jesus's teachings did not endorse murder, either.

If God thought it were alright for us to go around murdering people, I'm sure he would have let everyone know.