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God as Material vs Spiritual
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Bible tells God is spirit, so why do you think He is material?
God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.
John 4:24
i never stated god was a material thing. i asked why abrahamic believers describe their god as a materialistic thing that exists somewhere other than omnipresent? especially christians who see jesus as their savior, separate from themselves, and god the most high.
a personality, a person is a material thing in contrast to some other physical form
they even contradict, nullify, or invalidate their own scripture.
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Exaltist Ethan
Bridging the Gap Between Believers and Skeptics
As a syntheist I highly subscribe to the idea that there is no spiritual realm unless we create it for ourselves. And I have ideas on how to do that ... after all, isn't all matter either a wave or a particle? So, maybe after you die the particles that are you become waves and we just aren't able to detect or validate right now? I cannot and will not accept a future where 72 billion dead humans have no way of materializing once again. Technology is allowing us to create holograms of now dead people whom we can talk to. Is it really out of the realm of possibilities that the non-replicating particles of dead people could be resurrected by detecting their waves later on? There will be a whole realm of science trying to discover and understand what I consider a basic phenomena of human life and its demise.
spiritual has to do with consciousness, mind, mental stuff. matter is not really representative of the overall idea because it comes in so many forms. so then it isn't definitely immaterial but it isn't something solid that is fixed and can be recognized in contrast to some other form
but i would suspect a most abrahamic dualist see their god as a being in the form of something like a person. so they are assigning a material form to what is suppose to be a spiritual no thing, formless thing.
that is the question, why do they think that something that wasn't created, or what they believe to be a creator and itself uncreated, unformed, is a form?
see the confusion?
Exaltist Ethan
Bridging the Gap Between Believers and Skeptics
The mind is composed of matter. There is no dualism. It just appears as if it's something else because of how advanced our brains / mind are.
And yet the average person is composed of 60% water.
Are you familiar with the conclusion the 21 grams experiment?
21 grams experiment - Wikipedia
Supposedly the "soul" weights 21 grams. I don't call it a soul though, I call it the waves of a person's consciousness.
More likely the fact that God doesn't exist either material or immaterial. Or it doesn't give a ****. "Free will" and evil, yadda yadda yadda bull****.
This question doesn't matter at all. Do you know why? Because is the Abrahamic God exists it can exist both as immaterial AND material! After all, it's YAHWEH we talking about it! This God can do anything and knows all past, present and futures!
I suspect the only reason why Christians materializes him as a human because it's the most familiar to us. Yahweh could be an apple for Godsakes, after it all it was him that poisoned the apple in the Garden of Eden. Or whatever fruit they want to believe it was.
You don't have to have a brain to have awareness.
Nor does it seem that consciousness has to be local.
The bible doesn't teach this. That is the problem . God doesn't have an exclusive form per the Bible. So then it has to take some other state of matter that is more fluid like. More so an action like thing vs something solid and contrasting. Thus exodus 3:14
Exaltist Ethan
Bridging the Gap Between Believers and Skeptics
Yes and you're proof of that!
ba-dum-tiss
I want the evidence my friend, evidence.
Exaltist Ethan
Bridging the Gap Between Believers and Skeptics
The only actions that truly exist is entropy and extropy. When they are used to create a better world for us we develop human-centric divinity for us. If God is action then it is not a Being. I consider The Omniverse to be God, as well as the prime actions of entropy and extropy. They all work together to develop and create the world we know of today.
The ontological argument along with proving God exists, also proves, all life is God's and stems from him and he is the Life.
The equation: God's life = God's life + creation life (amount).
This shows God is with everything and in everything and not separate from anything.
This is the secret of "Al-Hayu" (the living) being repeated but then in Surah Ikhlas, "Samad" (The full) is mentioned instead. They interpret each other.
The equation: God's life = God's life + creation life (amount).
This shows God is with everything and in everything and not separate from anything.
This is the secret of "Al-Hayu" (the living) being repeated but then in Surah Ikhlas, "Samad" (The full) is mentioned instead. They interpret each other.
Interesting, I don't think personality or a person is necessary a material thing.
being is a verb first. A thing noun 2nd. A deverbal noun. Not much different from the universe being. No humans required for this
Really? You don't think a form is a material thing? A formed thing?
Yes, I don't think personality is necessarily material. For most it can be easier to see personality in material form, but I don't think it means personality can't be something else. But, why do you think personality is material?
If you look at the etymology of the word person, it means false face. Jesus referred to some as hypocrites. In that they were more concerned about their religious image, like Christians, than the suffering of the needy. Wolves, proselytizing in sheep's clothing.
The proselytizer wants to go to heaven and wants to avoid going to hell. But the chosen realize that service to all, suffering for all is the way. They who are service to their image are wanting that material heaven. But they are in a spiritual hell for maintaining their cool religious appearance.
You can't serve love while someone suffers in need and a religious image. Love is universal
Matthew 23:15
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