God as science project

[Faust]

Have the proponents of ID thought about the possible consequences of turning a creator or intelligent designer into a science project by teaching it in schools as science?
Faust.

 

[Sunstone]

I'm not sure I understand your question. Could you rephrase it? Elaborate a bit?

 

[michel]

Have the proponents of ID thought about the possible consequences of turning a creator or intelligent designer into a science project by teaching it in schools as science?
Faust.

I somehow think that God woulsd have a good hearty laugh at being thought of as a science..........:biglaugh:

 

[Faust]

Sorry,
I mean that religion answers our questions from an emotive,or as some would say, spiritual point of view. Science answers our questions from a rational point of view.
They both fill a need for the majority of humans but simply do not mix well.
I'm curious as to whether those who think ID should be taught in schools as science have thought about the possible consequenses of having the children in this country taught to look at God, or the creator, through the prism of science using the scientific method.
Faust.

 

[Sunstone]

Sorry,
I mean that religion answers our questions from an emotive,or as some would say, spiritual point of view. Science answers our questions from a rational point of view.
They both fill a need for the majority of humans but simply do not mix well.
I'm curious as to whether those who think ID should be taught in schools as science have thought about the possible consequenses of having the children in this country taught to look at God, or the creator, through the prism of science using the scientific method.
Faust.

Good question! I don't think most proponents of creationism or Inteligent Design have completely thought through the possible consequences of having children look at the notion of God through the prism of science.

 

[AtheistAJ]

I think I understand your question, and I don't believe there is any scientific proof of gods. So the only way ID would be taught would be by telling students it's an alternative theory and that's it. Then it would be up to them to choose their religions, as it's probably the reason ID supporters are so passionate about the issue.
I am against anything non-science being taught in classes. Japan is not nearly as religious as US, and they surpass us technologically in many fields. Such act would only distract us further from truth. Most Americans (think they) know more about god than about science, and so teaching ID in public schools wouldn't help productivity.

 

[Faust]

I think I understand your question, and I don't believe there is any scientific proof of gods.=AtheistAJ

But thats exactly my point. If you apply the scientific method to religion the inability to prove that a creator exists may do more to harm religion than help it.

 

[greatcalgarian]

Sorry,
I mean that religion answers our questions from an emotive,or as some would say, spiritual point of view. Science answers our questions from a rational point of view.
They both fill a need for the majority of humans but simply do not mix well.
I'm curious as to whether those who think ID should be taught in schools as science have thought about the possible consequenses of having the children in this country taught to look at God, or the creator, through the prism of science using the scientific method.
Faust.

Are you trying to say that to teach atheism as a science subject in the biology class or religious study class? Just like teaching ID in a science class?

 

[Ormiston]

I know how my project would look. I'd have a little Garden of Eden with Adam and Eve, the Tree of Knowledge, and the serpent. I'd put on a white fluffy beard and some robes and I'd start my presentation off with "6000 years ago I created the world in a week. I hid dinosaur bones under the ground to test peoples' faith in me. I injected my supreme order into all things such as black holes, swirling cosmic gas clouds, and automobiles. The world is flat and the sun revolves around the ...flat Earth....somehow. And...and....science is a lie....and....being gay is wrong....and if you don't accept Jesus into your heart...and if you don't love me and worship me and repent....and...Hell awaits you, but Heaven is great! and...."

Makes sense to me. Why wouldn't I want my daughter to get both sides of the story?

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

If the USA teaches religion as a science That is to say a faith based science.What would be the effect on adding the faith element into other sciences?
Questions would arise such as....
How often should I pray for my computer, To prevent virus infection?
I can not find reference to steam engines in the Bible are they invention of the Devil?
Should you say Grace before experiments?
Every time I press this button the Light shines on me, how does God know when to do this?

Terry________________________
Amen! Truly I say to you: Gather in my name. I am with you.

 

[Ormiston]

If we are going to add ID to the science curriculum, don't forget we have to add Alien-Design as well (Proof of AD thread?). I mean, how could all of this structure have come about without aliens with advanced technology?

 

[AtheistAJ]

If we are going to add ID to the science curriculum, don't forget we have to add Alien-Design as well (Proof of AD thread?). I mean, how could all of this structure have come about without aliens with advanced technology?

I'm not sure if you support that theory, but it is equally as logical as ID. If the whole Universe came from another party, then where did the other party's Universe come from? Unless you think aliens only designed life on Earth, but from whichever point the "design" theory comes it seems fishy to me with zero supporting evidence.

 

[AtheistAJ]

The world is flat and the sun revolves around the ...flat Earth....somehow.

"And there really is no reason for the Sun since it's not the source of light..."

 

[Faust]

Are you trying to say that to teach atheism as a science subject in the biology class or religious study class? Just like teaching ID in a science class?

No, I think that teaching ID as a science would lead to applying the scientific method to religion and that would harm religion.
Faust.

 

[MdmSzdWhtGuy]

Yes, by all means start teaching ID in class and DEMAND that kids do science fair projects on it. See how long it takes for ID to fall apart. This might lead many kids to realize some other truth's about what they are being taught on Sunday's and maybe, just maybe, those kids will start to realize that it is not OK to dislike others just because they are of a different group and don't worship an imaginary friend in the same way as that kid's family.

Think of all the good that could come from a whole generation of kids forced to look at religion in general and ID in particular through the eyes of science. Perhaps by doing so we can avoid a theocracy in our own country.

Therefore my vote is, make ID mandatory, and make it mandatory that 50% of the kids in class must do an ID science project. The potential for good vastly outweighs the potential for any harm.

B.

 

[mr.guy]

...but it (AD) is equally as logical as ID.

It's equal, is it? Please, can you show us the math?

...but from whichever point the "design" theory comes it seems fishy to me with zero supporting evidence.

they do. From scriptural perspective, a designer is perfectly logical.

 

[michel]

Sorry,
I mean that religion answers our questions from an emotive,or as some would say, spiritual point of view. Science answers our questions from a rational point of view.
They both fill a need for the majority of humans but simply do not mix well.
I'm curious as to whether those who think ID should be taught in schools as science have thought about the possible consequenses of having the children in this country taught to look at God, or the creator, through the prism of science using the scientific method.
Faust.

a) I don't believe in ID
b) I am not in America

But I would say from my perspective I.D and science are like oil and water. You might as well ask a musician to design a toroidal coil............

 

[greatcalgarian]

Yes, by all means start teaching ID in class and DEMAND that kids do science fair projects on it. See how long it takes for ID to fall apart. This might lead many kids to realize some other truth's about what they are being taught on Sunday's and maybe, just maybe, those kids will start to realize that it is not OK to dislike others just because they are of a different group and don't worship an imaginary friend in the same way as that kid's family.

Think of all the good that could come from a whole generation of kids forced to look at religion in general and ID in particular through the eyes of science. Perhaps by doing so we can avoid a theocracy in our own country.

Therefore my vote is, make ID mandatory, and make it mandatory that 50% of the kids in class must do an ID science project. The potential for good vastly outweighs the potential for any harm.

B.

I think there should be a truely religious class for all schools, where Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddism, Taoism etc are all given the forum to present their teaching, and let the kids make their own choice after they have listened from all sides.

 

[mr.guy]

I think there should be a truely religious class for all schools, where Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddism, Taoism etc are all given the forum to present their teaching, and let the kids make their own choice after they have listened from all sides.

you're insane. crazycrazycrazycrazycrazy.

 

[MdmSzdWhtGuy]

Don't forget to throw Flying Spaghetti Monsterism in with the mix, and I will vote for the addition of your religion class. Frankly the more one learns about all the different religions, the better.

B.