God Bows Down To Donald Trump

[shmogie]

I assume you stay out of public parks and libraries and off of public roads. I also assume you haven't or wouldn't send your kid(s) to public schools, nor would you rely upon the police or fire department in the case of an emergency. These things are all "socialist" by American conservative standards.

None of your examples represent a socialist government. The government has certain limited roles in a representative constitutional republic.

It does not have all the primary roles.

How familiar are you with American Conservative standards? It appears, not very.

 

[sooda]

Was this supposed to be a response to me or @shmogie ?

To Shmogie.. Sorry.

 

[Stevicus]

Still no answer yet to the question about this representing the Democrats' mind....

The point here is more than avoiding getting Poe'ed.
It's also about taking some extreme loon, & claiming
they characterize the entire group.
Or should we assume that all Pubs think God bows
down to Trump, & all Democrats want to eat babies?

I don't think anyone actually believes that the extremes represent the middle or mainstream of either party. I think some might use these examples to point out what could be the end result if they don't staunchly oppose the ideas of their political adversaries. They may not think that all of them are extreme loons, but the worry is that the extreme loons could rise to the top of whatever political faction or cause they're looking at.

I've seen how, within political groups, there might be certain internal pressures from "true believers" who take a cause and run with it. It's just like the lady in the video: "I want to do more to stop global warming than you; I'm ready to eat babies!" They basically agree on the same idea of "stop global warming," but then there's a pressure to one up each other in how far they're willing to go to pursue this cause they both agree on.

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't think anyone actually believes that the extremes represent the middle or mainstream of either party.

The singular representing the whole was the stated point of the OP.
Or....was it carefully phrased to say that, but with plausibility deniability?
Let's see....

Speaks volumes about the GOP mind.

I think some might use these examples to point out what could be the end result if they don't staunchly oppose the ideas of their political adversaries. They may not think that all of them are extreme loons, but the worry is that the extreme loons could rise to the top of whatever political faction or cause they're looking at.

I've seen how, within political groups, there might be certain internal pressures from "true believers" who take a cause and run with it. It's just like the lady in the video: "I want to do more to stop global warming than you; I'm ready to eat babies!" They basically agree on the same idea of "stop global warming," but then there's a pressure to one up each other in how far they're willing to go to pursue this cause they both agree on.

I strongly suspect Poe in both cases.
To worry over such things representing a larger
reality is at best a waste of effort, & at worst to
whip the tribe up into an irrational frenzy as a
bonding ritual.
Perhaps the latter is the real intent in such threads, eh.

 

[shmogie]

I don't think anyone actually believes that the extremes represent the middle or mainstream of either party. I think some might use these examples to point out what could be the end result if they don't staunchly oppose the ideas of their political adversaries. They may not think that all of them are extreme loons, but the worry is that the extreme loons could rise to the top of whatever political faction or cause they're looking at.

I've seen how, within political groups, there might be certain internal pressures from "true believers" who take a cause and run with it. It's just like the lady in the video: "I want to do more to stop global warming than you; I'm ready to eat babies!" They basically agree on the same idea of "stop global warming," but then there's a pressure to one up each other in how far they're willing to go to pursue this cause they both agree on.

Well reasoned.

However, the issue is her stupidity as judged by a plethora of stupid statements.

One can say she is simply uninformed, but the stupidity factor still applies because of her arrogance in not grasping she is uninformed, which is stupid.

Why she has become so influential in the democrat party both amazes and seriously puzzles me.

Has the stupid wing of the party taken control?

I have absolutely no idea. As a Republican however, I hope the trend continues.

 

[Revoltingest]

Well reasoned.

However, the issue is her stupidity as judged by a plethora of stupid statements.

One can say she is simply uninformed, but the stupidity factor still applies because of her arrogance in not grasping she is uninformed, which is stupid.

Why she has become so influential in the democrat party both amazes and seriously puzzles me.

Has the stupid wing of the party taken control?

I have absolutely no idea. As a Republican however, I hope the trend continues.

She's young, fetching, energetic, & she says things
that make people (some) feel good. It's about the
feelings engendered...rationality is a distant second.

Take her claim that the world will end in 12 years.
Sure, it's wrong...utterly bonkers. But the stridency
& urgency are what appeals. It's the feeling.

 

[shmogie]

She's young, fetching, energetic, & she says things
that make people (some) feel good. It's about the
feelings engendered...rationality is a distant second.

Take her claim that the world will end in 12 years.
Sure, it's wrong...utterly bonkers. But the stridency
& urgency are what appeals. It's the feeling.

Feelings can be absolute liars.

Part of wisdom is learning this.

She is young, and deserves learning this lesson as we older people did.

However, we do not deserve her learning this lesson in a position of influence that could effect us.

 

[Father Heathen]

The government owns all military bases..

Uh, oh. There's that ghastly socialism.

 

[Father Heathen]

Take her claim that the world will end in 12 years.
Sure, it's wrong...utterly bonkers. But the stridency
& urgency are what appeals. It's the feeling.

I believe that climate change is a real, serious issue, but I think that resorting to hyperbolic fear mongering is a very stupid and foolish tactic, especially when trying to persuade the scientifically illiterate. It obviously backfires.

 

[Revoltingest]

I believe that climate change is a real, serious issue, but I think that resorting to hyperbolic fear mongering is a very stupid and foolish tactic, especially when trying to persuade the scientifically illiterate. It obviously backfires.

I think she'll eventually face that shortcoming.
But for now, she's at that Greta Thunberg stage of life.

 

[Father Heathen]

About the police & fire departments.....have you ever called them over?
Be careful about that. They'll often do nothing, or make things even worse.
They're legally not accountable for wrongful actions.
And the things you mention aren't even socialist, ie, not the "means of production".
Fans & foes of socialism should all read dictionaries.
They rave & rail about the wrong things.

I *know* they're not, but I'm arguing by the faux definition used by conservatives (i.e. government ran + tax funded = soviet gulag). They see universal healthcare as some "evil" (even though all of the other developed, 1st world nations have and prefer it.) even though their fellow Americans are either dying or driven into dept by the privatized, for-profit racket with inflated costs, fees, co-pays, premiums, etc.

 

[Revoltingest]

I *know* they're not, but I'm arguing by the faux definition used by conservatives (i.e. government ran + tax funded = soviet gulag). They see universal healthcare as some "evil" (even though all of the other developed, 1st world nations have and prefer it.) even though their fellow Americans are either dying or driven into dept by the privatized, for-profit racket with inflated costs, fees, co-pays, premiums, etc.

Be cautious about aping liberals too often.
As Kurt Vonnegut wisely said....something like....
"Be careful what you pretend to be because you are what you pretend to be."

 

[Father Heathen]

None of your examples represent a socialist government.

Neither do most of what conservatives whine about, which is the point. Whenever a conservative shrieks or squeals "socialism!", it's usually as a lazy slur to decry something they simply dislike or don't understand rather than anything dealing with genuine socialism.

 

[Father Heathen]

Be cautious about aping liberals too often.
As Kurt Vonnegut wisely said....something like....
"Be careful what you pretend to be because you are what you pretend to be."

Not catching your drift. Elaborate.

 

[Revoltingest]

Not catching your drift. Elaborate.

Other than occasional admissions to aping them,
you appear to support socialists & Democrats.

 

[Father Heathen]

I think she'll eventually face that shortcoming.
But for now, she's at that Greta Thunberg stage of life.

Greta is another example; I feel she's been coached and paraded around by handlers as a sort of "feel good" mascot. I don't think being condescended to by a child is a good way to win over naysayers.

 

[Father Heathen]

Other than occasional admissions to aping them,
you appear to support socialists & Democrats.

I do lean further left than I do right, and I do see democrats as the "lesser evil" vs. the republicans. My biggest issue with the GOP is their history of opposing science (climate change and evolution) and personal freedom (LGBT rights, reproductive rights, cannabis legalization, etc.), which is mainly due to them being joined at the hip with the evangelical movement. I'm not anti-capitalist, but like the military, law enforcement, fire department, school system, etc. I don't think healthcare should be privatized (but like schooling, allow private options for those who want it). It seems rather ghoulish to me to profit from dying children, and then tossing them under the bus once their family's finances are bled dry. People whine about the tax cost (even though it would be less than the inflated costs under the current system.) but these same people don't seem to mind paying into the bloated military budget that could stand to be trimmed down (The U.S. spends the most on it's military, more than the next 7 countries do on theirs combined, and 5 of those are allies) Also, by legalizing, licencing, regulating, and taxing cannabis, prostitution, casinos, etc. it could rake in revenue that could cover it and other expenditures.
Also, I don't trust large, powerful corporations to be lawful and ethical, especially when law and ethics get in the way of profits. I know the idea is that the consumer has the power by choosing who they do business with, but often that choice is an illusion.

 

[Revoltingest]

I do lean further left than I do right, and I do see democrats as the "lesser evil" vs. the republicans. My biggest issue with the GOP is their history of opposing science (climate change and evolution) and personal freedom (LGBT rights, reproductive rights, cannabis legalization, etc.), which is mainly due to them being joined at the hip with the evangelical movement. I'm not anti-capitalist, but like the military, law enforcement, fire department, school system, etc. I don't think healthcare should be privatized (but like schooling, allow private options for those who want it). It seems rather ghoulish to me to profit from dying children, and then tossing them under the bus once their family's finances are bled dry. People whine about the tax cost (even though it would be less than the inflated costs under the current system.) but these same people don't seem to mind paying into the bloated military budget that could stand to be trimmed down (The U.S. spends the most on it's military, more than the next 7 countries do on theirs combined, and 5 of those are allies) Also, by legalizing, licencing, regulating, and taxing cannabis, prostitution, casinos, etc. it could rake in revenue that could cover it and other expenditures.
Also, I don't trust large, powerful corporations to be lawful and ethical, especially when law and ethics get in the way of profits. I know the idea is that the consumer has the power by choosing who they do business with, but often that choice is an illusion.

This means that you have much in common with many Republicans.
So I recommend more attacks upon policies you oppose than on people.
(I'm here to help.)

 

[Father Heathen]

@Revoltingest
Also, despite leaning left, I'm no fan of the rising SJW/PC culture which, much like the religious fundamentalism of the right, seeks to sanctimoniously sanitize how people think, feel, speak, and express. Both are very much uptight prudes who seek to be the thought police.

I'm all for protecting the rights, freedoms, and equality of LGBT and women, but theirs is not the proper approach. I'm very staunchly pro freedom and expression, even for things I disagree with.

 

[Revoltingest]

@Revoltingest
Also, despite leaning left, I'm no fan of the rising SJW/PC culture which, much like the religious fundamentalism of the right, seeks to sanctimoniously sanitize how people think, feel, speak, and express. Both are very much uptight prudes who seek to be the thought police.

I'm all for protecting the rights, freedoms, and equality of LGBT and women, but theirs is not the proper approach. I'm very staunchly pro freedom and expression, even for things I disagree with.

I sysmpathize.