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God clearly wants us confused

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
Clearly you just have to look at the history of Religion and it is obvious people are divided and confused. Without interfering with free-will, God could easily solve that problem. What do you think his reason is for wanting us confused?

You can say He doesn't want us confused, but I know better. If he didn't want us confused, he would speak up and answer our questions. For one person, the truth is Judaism. For another person the truth is Atheism. For another person the truth is Christianity. For another, the truth is Islam. For another, Mormonism, for another the truth is Polytheism. And the list goes on and on.

God clearly wants us confused or he would speak up to us and let us know the truth. There is a small percentage of people that God wills have enlightenment and understanding.
How would we know if He spoke to us, Pope? In 1 Kings 19:11-13, we read, "And, behold, the LORD passed by, and a great and strong wind rent the mountains, and brake in pieces the rocks before the LORD; but the LORD was not in the wind: and after the wind an earthquake; but the LORD was not in the earthquake: And after the earthquake a fire; but the LORD was not in the fire: and after the fire a still small voice. And it was so, when Elijah heard it, that he wrapped his face in his mantle, and went out, and stood in the entering in of the cave."

I don't personally think that God wants us to be confused, but that He speaks to each of us through a still, small voice. More importantly, even though I believe He wants to to know the truth, I am convinced that when we stand before Him to be judged, He's going to look a lot deeper than which denomination we affiliated with or which religion we belonged to on earth.
 

bobhikes

Nondetermined
Premium Member
Clearly you just have to look at the history of Religion and it is obvious people are divided and confused. Without interfering with free-will, God could easily solve that problem. What do you think his reason is for wanting us confused?

You can say He doesn't want us confused, but I know better. If he didn't want us confused, he would speak up and answer our questions. For one person, the truth is Judaism. For another person the truth is Atheism. For another person the truth is Christianity. For another, the truth is Islam. For another, Mormonism, for another the truth is Polytheism. And the list goes on and on.

God clearly wants us confused or he would speak up to us and let us know the truth. There is a small percentage of people that God wills have enlightenment and understanding.

Maybe God just wants you to make the choice. Giving you plenty of options and one that will work for you. People that work towards a goal and achieve it find there own worth and add value to all.
 

kjw47

Well-Known Member
Clearly you just have to look at the history of Religion and it is obvious people are divided and confused. Without interfering with free-will, God could easily solve that problem. What do you think his reason is for wanting us confused?

You can say He doesn't want us confused, but I know better. If he didn't want us confused, he would speak up and answer our questions. For one person, the truth is Judaism. For another person the truth is Atheism. For another person the truth is Christianity. For another, the truth is Islam. For another, Mormonism, for another the truth is Polytheism. And the list goes on and on.

God clearly wants us confused or he would speak up to us and let us know the truth. There is a small percentage of people that God wills have enlightenment and understanding.


God had to do it that way--For one, it kept satan and his angels in spiritual darkness, Even Gods own angels did not know the hidden truths( Dan 12:4--1Peter 1:12)-- these truths are now abundant, but rejected by the majority.
Jesus began the door to door work when he sent them out by 2--that work does not stop until the end.
Satan tried his darndest to confuse all he can--especially through Catholicism councils=2Thess 2:3)
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
Satan tried his darndest to confuse all he can--especially through Catholicism councils=2Thess 2:3)
Hmmm. Since we're going to start attacking specific denominations, I personally think he does a lot of great work through the JWs, too. :p
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Clearly you just have to look at the history of Religion and it is obvious people are divided and confused. Without interfering with free-will, God could easily solve that problem. What do you think his reason is for wanting us confused?
Where did you find where He said He wanted you confused? Without making you a robot, how would God solve the problem? You have two scientists looking at the same information and yet come to two completely different positions. Is God doing that or man?


God clearly wants us confused or he would speak up to us and let us know the truth.
Personally, I don't think so.

Hebrews 1:
1 Going through a long line of prophets, God has been addressing our ancestors in different ways for centuries.
2 Recently he spoke to us directly through his Son. By his Son, God created the world in the beginning, and it will all belong to the Son at the end.
3 This Son perfectly mirrors God, and is stamped with God's nature.

When in doubt, listen to Jesus.

There is a small percentage of people that God wills have enlightenment and understanding.
Based on what rule of measure?
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Where did you find where He said He wanted you confused? Without making you a robot, how would God solve the problem? You have two scientists looking at the same information and yet come to two completely different positions. Is God doing that or man?



Personally, I don't think so.

Hebrews 1:
1 Going through a long line of prophets, God has been addressing our ancestors in different ways for centuries.
2 Recently he spoke to us directly through his Son. By his Son, God created the world in the beginning, and it will all belong to the Son at the end.
3 This Son perfectly mirrors God, and is stamped with God's nature.

When in doubt, listen to Jesus.


Based on what rule of measure?
because if God didn't want me confused I would have the understanding I prayed for, pure and simple.

I prayed for understanding and enlightenment to know and do God's will. God left me confused and refused to answer my prayer because he clearly wanted me confused.
 

psychoslice

Veteran Member
I don't think it is god that is confusing, its the people who wrote about him and the people who believe in what is written about him.
 

Dawnofhope

Non-Proselytizing Baha'i
Staff member
Premium Member
Clearly you just have to look at the history of Religion and it is obvious people are divided and confused. Without interfering with free-will, God could easily solve that problem. What do you think his reason is for wanting us confused?

You can say He doesn't want us confused, but I know better. If he didn't want us confused, he would speak up and answer our questions. For one person, the truth is Judaism. For another person the truth is Atheism. For another person the truth is Christianity. For another, the truth is Islam. For another, Mormonism, for another the truth is Polytheism. And the list goes on and on.

God clearly wants us confused or he would speak up to us and let us know the truth. There is a small percentage of people that God wills have enlightenment and understanding.

I think He has spoken but its hard for us all to listen. He spoke through Moses but that was a long time ago when people were very different so the laws were tough. Then He spoke through Christ but it was a time of empires, male domination, and slavery. That age is now passing away. He spoke through Muhammad so enabled a disparate group of Nomadic Herdsman to unite. Then the wrong people took hold of the religion for a while. A long time ago there were others like Krishna, Buddha, and Zoroaster but its hard to know what they really said.

All these Great Spiritual Teachers all spoke of a time in the future when another Great Teacher would come. Then there were two Persian Prophets, The Bab and Baha'u'llah. Lots of people followed the Bab but the clergy and Shah didn't like it. So they thought it best to kill the Bab and all the Babi leaders. Baha'u'llah they imprisoned and tortured. That didn't work so the Persians and Ottomans exiled Him not once but four times until He was sent to a prison in Akka, on the shores of Palestine. Maybe He would just rot and die! But instead He managed to write letters to all the Kings and rulers of the world saying He was the promised one. They all ignored His message and many of their empires fell and more wars came. His son went to America for 9 months and His followers spread His teachings far and wide. His message his for the age we live in, not some bygone era. Its all very clear. There is One God, One humanity, and One religion.

If this sounds like its been written by a 10 year old its because I've just finished watching Forest Gump with my children:)
 

IndigoStorm

Member
Clearly you just have to look at the history of Religion and it is obvious people are divided and confused. Without interfering with free-will, God could easily solve that problem. What do you think his reason is for wanting us confused?

You can say He doesn't want us confused, but I know better. If he didn't want us confused, he would speak up and answer our questions. For one person, the truth is Judaism. For another person the truth is Atheism. For another person the truth is Christianity. For another, the truth is Islam. For another, Mormonism, for another the truth is Polytheism. And the list goes on and on.

God clearly wants us confused or he would speak up to us and let us know the truth. There is a small percentage of people that God wills have enlightenment and understanding.

There is bound to be confusion when one waits for an entity that does not exist to speak up.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
because if God didn't want me confused I would have the understanding I prayed for, pure and simple.

I prayed for understanding and enlightenment to know and do God's will. God left me confused and refused to answer my prayer because he clearly wanted me confused.

No... I don't think that makes any sense. That would be like me saying "I asked the teacher to explain Algebra and he left me confused. And since he left me confused, it must be because he wants me confused" and all the while the rest of the class went out understanding.

I think the proper perspective would be like the Eunuch:

Acts 6:
27 So he started out, and he met the treasurer of Ethiopia, a eunuch of great authority under the Kandake, the queen of Ethiopia. The eunuch had gone to Jerusalem to worship,
28 and he was now returning. Seated in his carriage, he was reading aloud from the book of the prophet Isaiah.
29 The Holy Spirit said to Philip, “Go over and walk along beside the carriage.”
30 Philip ran over and heard the man reading from the prophet Isaiah. Philip asked, “Do you understand what you are reading?”
31 The man replied, “How can I, unless someone instructs me?” And he urged Philip to come up into the carriage and sit with him.
32 The passage of Scripture he had been reading was this: “He was led like a sheep to the slaughter. And as a lamb is silent before the shearers, he did not open his mouth.
33 He was humiliated and received no justice. Who can speak of his descendants? For his life was taken from the earth.”
34The eunuch asked Philip, “Tell me, was the prophet talking about himself or someone else?”
35 So beginning with this same Scripture, Philip told him the Good News about Jesus.

The Eunuch was confused about understanding and so the Holy Spirit sent a man to explain it to him. When Phillip was finished, he wasn't confused anymore. God will always help people understand but this isn't a matrix movie download.

What are you confused about?
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
That there are many different faiths does not prove that God wants the people of the world confused. It just proves that people are easily manipulated.
 

David T

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Clearly you just have to look at the history of Religion and it is obvious people are divided and confused. Without interfering with free-will, God could easily solve that problem. What do you think his reason is for wanting us confused?

You can say He doesn't want us confused, but I know better. If he didn't want us confused, he would speak up and answer our questions. For one person, the truth is Judaism. For another person the truth is Atheism. For another person the truth is Christianity. For another, the truth is Islam. For another, Mormonism, for another the truth is Polytheism. And the list goes on and on.

God clearly wants us confused or he would speak up to us and let us know the truth. There is a small percentage of people that God wills have enlightenment and understanding.
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
I would like to thank the MODS for featuring this thread because it is my biggest grievance against God. If God would just speak clearly and give people enlightenment and understanding, I would have no grievance against him. I know you're reading this Mr. God! ;)
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
It is the churches that spread confusion by telling people only one side of things and pretending they have all the answers.
and it's God's responsibility to speak to us and guide us. He does live within each of us afterall. If he lives within us, it is easy for him to bring clarity and enlightenment
 

savagewind

Veteran Member
Premium Member
It proves that God isn't speaking up in a way that is clear
Do you think Jesus' motive was clear? I do! By your own admittance, most people choose their own way even if they witnessed his power first-hand. Their own way is not Christ's way. Correct?
 
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