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God clearly wants us confused

kjw47

Well-Known Member
I disagree unless you only look at some scriptures at the expense of others.

Your complete person is also a trinity... spirit, soul and body and yet still one person. We are made in His image and in His likeness. Each part of you has a different purpose and perhaps a different materiality but together you still are just one person.

If I were to simply look at those scriptures that references my body, then you would hold onto the erroneous position that I am only a body and not a trinity. Likewise, if you look at the scriptures that only references the person of God, you would also come to the conclusion that there isn't the Biblical reference of the Godhead.


0 proof by any mortal that ones soul or spirit lives on.
in fact in revelation it says-- all the souls are under the throne==proving it is not a separate being--not one who died prior to Jesus ever went to heaven-- they went sheol=the grave. where is their soul or spirit?
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
0 proof by any mortal that ones soul or spirit lives on.
in fact in revelation it says-- all the souls are under the throne==proving it is not a separate being--not one who died prior to Jesus ever went to heaven-- they went sheol=the grave. where is their soul or spirit?
Yes... prior to jesus no one went to Heaven.

Proof that no soul/spirit lives on? We will find out shortly.
 

kjw47

Well-Known Member
Yes... prior to jesus no one went to Heaven.

Proof that no soul/spirit lives on? We will find out shortly.


How is that? no mortal has ever been seen after they have died( except Jesus)--no mortal knows.
The ot is clear though---on the day of ones death--ALL thought stops.
 

QuestioningMind

Well-Known Member
"KenS, post: 5086962, member: 47847"]Do you always misquote? Twist what was said?

If a person of a Greek Orthodox church sacrifices a lamb and it is not in accordance to the mother Greek Orthodox Church... then it is the PERSON that did it and not the church.

So, once again you just proved my point."

Like I said, it must be nice to be the one who get's to decide that the members of the mother Greek Orthodox Church are legitimate Christians, but the offshoot church that still sacrifices lambs are fake Christians. I suppose that the members of the church that still sacrifices lambs don't get to decide that YOU'RE not a true Christian because you refuse to sacrifice lambs. This judging who are REAL and FAKE Christians is a power reserved for you alone, huh? So actually you just proved MY point. The members of the church that still sacrifices lambs consider themselves to be REAL Christians and that they belong to a REAL Christian church and might very well consider you to be a FAKE Christian. And until God comes down and clarifies the matter your definition of a REAL Christian is no more legitimate than anyone else's.

And just so you know, it's PEOPLE who make up ANY church and those PEOPLE after struggling to properly decipher God's Word are the ones that decides what are legitimate practices and what are not. That's why there are so many DIFFERENT Christian sects, because the people who make up the churches can't agree on what the TRUE Word of God is.


"To show how fickle you are in your position. DON'T KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE while you let others do it."

I can't for the life of me understand what you're trying to say here. What does your response have to with the reality that when YOU wanted to compare Canaan and Japan it's legitimate, but when I make a comparison between them it's suddenly apples & oranges? You're constantly trying to have it both ways and that just doesn't work.



"You just proved my point. PEOPLE twist things. But as the record shows, the message hasn't."

Yet again I'm forced to point out that this 'record' is in dispute. You after all were the one who pointed out that the 10 commandments were incorrectly interpreted. But then you make the truly ludicrous claim that somehow this error was the ONLY significant error ever found. I can post links to experts who disagree with you 100%. According to THEM the records shows that the bible is full of errors. Just like YOU have have no ultimate authority to decide who is a real or fake Christian, you have no authority to decide that ONLY the experts who agree with you are legitimate experts.


"It isn't that hard"

No, clearly it isn't! All you have to do is find experts who support your position and label any experts who don't agree with you a fraud! Then you can pretend like EVERYONE agrees that the bible hasn't been altered in any way over the centuries. Problem is EVERYONE can do the exact same thing. FAR better if God would just pass his Word on to each of us individually instead of forcing us to put our faith in the 'experts'. Then there would BE no 'translations' or 'context'... no depending on other fallible humans beings to pass it on correctly. That's what a GENUINE God would do. Whereas fallible human beings trying to twist reality to serve their own agendas are the ones likely to claim that God wanted His Word passed on via a form of the children's game telephone.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
How is that? no mortal has ever been seen after they have died( except Jesus)--no mortal knows.
The ot is clear though---on the day of ones death--ALL thought stops.
Well... there are those who claim they have but that isn't admissible since one cannot prove they did.

But when we die :) we will find out soon enough if we do :)

Unless, of course, you believe what is written. Regardless :) we'll find out
 
Clearly you just have to look at the history of Religion and it is obvious people are divided and confused. Without interfering with free-will, God could easily solve that problem. What do you think his reason is for wanting us confused?

You can say He doesn't want us confused, but I know better. If he didn't want us confused, he would speak up and answer our questions. For one person, the truth is Judaism. For another person the truth is Atheism. For another person the truth is Christianity. For another, the truth is Islam. For another, Mormonism, for another the truth is Polytheism. And the list goes on and on.

God clearly wants us confused or he would speak up to us and let us know the truth. There is a small percentage of people that God wills have enlightenment and understanding.

Why do you assume god/s exist to begin with? I've never seen any evidence that supports the existence of any gods or supernatural forces. That leaves us with what is in the natural world, right?
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Why do you assume god/s exist to begin with? I've never seen any evidence that supports the existence of any gods or supernatural forces. That leaves us with what is in the natural world, right?
The thought that space, materiality and time just "happened" is a big stretch. One could hold onto the position that our very existence support the existence of God (or gods if one chooses).
 
The thought that space, materiality and time just "happened" is a big stretch. One could hold onto the position that our very existence support the existence of God (or gods if one chooses).

How is that anymore of a stretch then a god just "happening" to exist? Holding up a god as a reason for why anything exists isn't a rational/logical argument. It's unsupported superstition.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
How is that anymore of a stretch then a god just "happening" to exist? Holding up a god as a reason for why anything exists isn't a rational/logical argument. It's unsupported superstition.
Both are faith positions. Both have logic and both are unsupported. Neither are superstitious.
 
Both are faith positions. Both have logic and both are unsupported. Neither are superstitious.

Sorry, but you are demonstrably wrong. One position makes assertions that are not supported. The other position doesn't accept assertions that lack appropriate supporting evidence. It does not require faith to disbelieve in something that has no evidence to support it. How much faith is required in disbelieving the existence of the tooth fairy?
 

kjw47

Well-Known Member
Well... there are those who claim they have but that isn't admissible since one cannot prove they did.

But when we die :) we will find out soon enough if we do :)

Unless, of course, you believe what is written. Regardless :) we'll find out


If one cannot think after they die--how will they know?
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Sorry, but you are demonstrably wrong. One position makes assertions that are not supported. The other position doesn't accept assertions that lack appropriate supporting evidence. It does not require faith to disbelieve in something that has no evidence to support it. How much faith is required in disbelieving the existence of the tooth fairy?
You are creating your own parameters and then destroying them.

The position is there was something at the beginning that created them. Either God or something else that we haven't discovered yet. Both are faith positions because there is no supported documentation for either. (Although for many their scriptures is enough)
 
You are creating your own parameters and then destroying them.

The position is there was something at the beginning that created them. Either God or something else that we haven't discovered yet. Both are faith positions because there is no supported documentation for either. (Although for many their scriptures is enough)

My position is "I don't know", period, full stop. Any speculation about how the universe and life on this planet began is speculation, and only speculation. As you say, there is no hard evidence to support anything. That leaves the only rational position as "I don't know".
 

Spiderman

Veteran Member
My position is "I don't know", period, full stop. Any speculation about how the universe and life on this planet began is speculation, and only speculation. As you say, there is no hard evidence to support anything. That leaves the only rational position as "I don't know".
I don't know either. I've had some paranormal experiences, but in the end I just don't know
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
My position is "I don't know", period, full stop. Any speculation about how the universe and life on this planet began is speculation, and only speculation. As you say, there is no hard evidence to support anything. That leaves the only rational position as "I don't know".
GOT IT! :) Not to say that any of the other two positions aren't rational, just that no one was there to see it happen and thus a faith position as I said but I now can also add... "I don't know".
 

kjw47

Well-Known Member
I believe the teachings of Jesus expose how far from the truth a JW can get since Jesus espouses the Trinity.


I learned all Jesus taught--In every translation on earth --his teachings back the JW,s and expose the trinity religions as false.-- 0 doubt--learn them.
 
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