God clearly wants us confused

[Thief]

So God doesn't hide his truth?

it's more effective letting you think it out

 

[JustWondering]

There is one true living God= YHWH(Jehovah)-- 0 doubt

That's nice, do you have any evidence to support your claim?

 

[JustWondering]

Its Gods way= the only way. God reveals himself to those who learn and apply his will.

That applies to all gods. Ancient men who worshipped Zeus or Odin had zero doubt their gods existed as well. I see no real world differences between the ancient gods that are no longer in style to worship and yours. They can't be shown to actually exist outside the minds of their believers.

 

[Thief]

That applies to all gods. Ancient men who worshipped Zeus or Odin had zero doubt their gods existed as well. I see no real world differences between the ancient gods that are no longer in style to worship and yours. They can't be shown to actually exist outside the minds of their believers.

cause and effect

substance is not self starting

Spirit first

 

[JustWondering]

cause and effect

substance is not self starting

Spirit first

You don't know that. We don't know if there even was a beginning, thus no start required.

When I was a small child it was easy to see that humanity is not a rational species. The honest and rational stance concerning things we don't know is simply admitting we don't know. Yet, the majority of the human race take the irrational stance of "My sky daddy did it" and "he did it like this" when there is nothing to back those statements up, at all. Then, when called on their BS, these theists crow about how important having completely blind faith is. Like believing in invisible beings and magic without ANYTHING to back it up is the most rational thing in the world. It's nothing short of insanity. A species wide mental disorder.

 

[Thief]

You don't know that. We don't know if there even was a beginning, thus no start required.

When I was a small child it was easy to see that humanity is not a rational species. The honest and rational stance concerning things we don't know is simply admitting we don't know. Yet, the majority of the human race take the irrational stance of "My sky daddy did it" and "he did it like this" when there is nothing to back those statements up, at all. Then, when called on their BS, these theists crow about how important having completely blind faith is. Like believing in invisible beings and magic without ANYTHING to back it up is the most rational thing in the world. It's nothing short of insanity. A species wide mental disorder.

science.....substance is not self starting
an item will remain at rest until ......moved

I know that

and the universe came from one location.....science! (with index pointing upward)

Something set the universe (one word) in motion
that something was not substance

 

[JustWondering]

Something set the universe (one word) in motion
that something was not substance

You don't know that. Anyone can speculate about how the universe may have started. Maybe the flying spaghetti monster did it. I don't know is the honest stance to take in this situation. Proclaiming you have answers to questions no one has answers to, is dishonest.

 

[kjw47]

So God doesn't hide his truth?

Some truths were hidden, but here in these last days, are now abundant-Daniel 12:4--otherwise this could never occur--John 4:22-24

 

[Falvlun]

it's more effective letting you think it out

That was in response to kjw47. In one post he responded that god was wise to hide his truth and then in the next post he said that the truth was easily found in Jesus' teachings. It seems a bit contradictory.

As for your response, you say it is more effective to have us think it out. "More effective" depends on the goal. What goal does thinking it out more effectively obtain?

 

[kjw47]

That's nice, do you have any evidence to support your claim?

God cannot be proved from one mortal to another--God reveals himself to those who choose with--FREE WILL-- to love him and listen to his advice.

 

[kjw47]

That applies to all gods. Ancient men who worshipped Zeus or Odin had zero doubt their gods existed as well. I see no real world differences between the ancient gods that are no longer in style to worship and yours. They can't be shown to actually exist outside the minds of their believers.

Except no religion on earth has any proof whatsoever that God is there, but the Christian bible has been proved truth.

 

[Hawkins]

Clearly you just have to look at the history of Religion and it is obvious people are divided and confused. Without interfering with free-will, God could easily solve that problem. What do you think his reason is for wanting us confused?

You can say He doesn't want us confused, but I know better. If he didn't want us confused, he would speak up and answer our questions. For one person, the truth is Judaism. For another person the truth is Atheism. For another person the truth is Christianity. For another, the truth is Islam. For another, Mormonism, for another the truth is Polytheism. And the list goes on and on.

God clearly wants us confused or he would speak up to us and let us know the truth. There is a small percentage of people that God wills have enlightenment and understanding.

Another factor needs to consider is Satan's work.

 

[JustWondering]

God cannot be proved from one mortal to another--God reveals himself to those who choose with--FREE WILL-- to love him and listen to his advice.

I challenge you to show me a bible verse that shows that god thinks free will is important. Everywhere you look in the bible god wants TOTAL OBEDIENCE, and when he doesn't get it, he brutally and mercilessly punishes the offenders. The god of the bible does not value free will. How can you think that someone who has a general policy of "Love me, worship me, obey me or ELSE!!!" values free will, or is sane?

 

[JustWondering]

Except no religion on earth has any proof whatsoever that God is there, but the Christian bible has been proved truth.

Lol, really?! When did this happen? Please share your amazing evidence that will convince the world to all convert to JW's! I'm all ears!

 

[JustWondering]

Another factor needs to consider is Satan's work.

The main factor to consider is it's all just fables created by ignorant, superstitious men thousands of years ago that have no more relevance to reality than stories about Zeus and Thor.

 

[Thief]

That was in response to kjw47. In one post he responded that god was wise to hide his truth and then in the next post he said that the truth was easily found in Jesus' teachings. It seems a bit contradictory.

As for your response, you say it is more effective to have us think it out. "More effective" depends on the goal. What goal does thinking it out more effectively obtain?

you can teach someone to repeat an action
with a small incentive, the hand will continue
the servant will take his wages

or you can explain the action for motivation
and that servant will be found doing as he should

better yet.....let the man ponder and wonder
let him explore and consider
let him think

the riddle of Man is a hidden truth
(why are we here?)

the parables are guidance in metaphor
for those distracted by the everyday gesture of the hand

 

[Thief]

You don't know that. Anyone can speculate about how the universe may have started. Maybe the flying spaghetti monster did it. I don't know is the honest stance to take in this situation. Proclaiming you have answers to questions no one has answers to, is dishonest.

science .......cause and effect

I am sure

and you can call Him the flying Spaghetti Monster if you like
and you try that to His Face when you get there

I will stand back and watch

 

[JustWondering]

science .......cause and effect

I am sure

and you can call Him the flying Spaghetti Monster if you like
and you try that to His Face when your get there

I will stand back and watch

*Yawn* Heard it before just as I'm sure you've heard what's coming next. If things need a cause, what caused your god, and what caused your god's creator and so on? Oh wait, let me guess, your god gets a pass on the whole cause/effect thing because he's special. That's not a logical line of reasoning, it's fantasy backed by NOTHING, at all, whatsoever. I'm not interested in fairy tales. Please present an argument backed by something, anything, instead of empty, completely unsupported claims, thank you.

 

[Thief]

*Yawn* Heard it before just as I'm sure you've heard what's coming next. If things need a cause, what caused your god, and what caused your god's creator and so on? Oh wait, let me guess, your god gets a pass on the whole cause/effect thing because he's special. That's not a logical line of reasoning, it's fantasy backed by NOTHING, at all, whatsoever. I'm not interested in fairy tales. Please present an argument backed by something, anything, instead of empty, completely unsupported claims, thank you.

motion had a beginning
substance didn't do it for it's ......'self'

 

[JustWondering]

motion had a beginning
substance didn't do it for it's ......'self'

You, nor anyone else on this planet witnessed the beginning of the universe. Therefore, making proclamations about what happened billions of years ago before any witness even existed, is dishonest.