God does exist

[FearGod]

I wrote:
24 hrs to complete one cycle (40000 km) for earth

Actually the the earth ranges anywhere between 147,098,290 - 152,098,232 km from the sun.

Earth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

40000 km is the circumference of earth and not the distance from the sun.
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I wrote:
8640000 hours to complete one cycle (Unknown) for Paradise
We got the circumference of the Paradise to be 14400000000 Km

How did you come by this figure?

Simple math
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I wrote:
The approx width from earth to the edge of our solar system is about
4,500,000,000 Km

I assume this number is taken from the distance between the Neptune and the sun (4,452,940,833 - 4,553,946,940 km).

Neptune - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This however is not the edge of our universe as there is plenty of real estate further out that is effected by the suns gravitational pull.

Sorry mate nothing in your post holds up the slightest amount of scrutiny.

The edge of our solar system is located at Kaiper built at around 4.5 billions Km from earth.

The final frontier of our solar system remains a place as mysterious as it is dark and distant. Beyond the realm of the planets, starting about 3 billion miles (4.5 billion kilometers) away and probably extending well into interstellar space, reside many tens of thousands of icy bodies in the region known as the Kuiper Belt.

The Greatest Mysteries of the Kuiper Belt | LiveScience

 

[The Neo Nerd]

It should be noted that it says "Final Frontier"

This does not mean the edge.

 

[FearGod]

It should be noted that it says "Final Frontier"

This does not mean the edge.

Also known as Edgeworth –Kuiper belt. It is a region of the solar system extending beyond the orbit of Neptune, starting at 30 AU to approximately 55 AU from the sun. · Similar to asteroid belt, Kuiper belt consists of remnants from the solar system formation. Nonetheless, Kuiper belt is far larger than the asteroid belt with approximately 20 times as wide and 20-200 times as massive. Kuiper belt is also home to 3 dwarf planets: Pluto, Haumea, and Makemake. Moreover, unlike the composition of remnant in the asteroid belt, Kuiper belt objects are composed largely of frozen volatiles such as methane, ammonia, and water.

Reference: astro268 / The Edge of Solar System: Kuiper Belt

 

[Parsimony]

Who mentioned the universe and who knows its limits.

The edge of our solar system is located at Kaiper belt at distance of around 4.5 billion Km.

That's generally what the word "heavens" refers to. Unless you can provide some kind of evidence that the word "heavens" in the context of the verse you listed in the Qu'ran includes the Solar System only out to Neptune and not the stars in the sky that are visible from the Earth. You can't just ignore the stars without some justification for ignoring them.

 

[McBell]

I'm sorry, this thread...
it is like watching a sitcom.

 

[NobodyYouKnow]

I'm sorry, this thread...
it is like watching a sitcom.

Yeah, a sitcom that lost the plot with the opening post. All mathematics and astronomical calculations aside, what has any of that got to do with proving the existence of God?

I unsubbed; thought I'd see if it got any better; re-affirmed why I unsubbed; wondered if anybody tripped out on my optical illusion yet...nah.

 

[FearGod]

That's generally what the word "heavens" refers to. Unless you can provide some kind of evidence that the word "heavens" in the contest of the verse you listed in the Qu'ran includes the Solar System only out to Neptune and not the stars in the sky that are visible from the Earth. You can't just ignore the stars without some justification for ignoring them.

7 layers above us and called orbits and roads in the quran.
Maybe by coincidence that the quran got it right.

 

[Parsimony]

7 layers above us and called orbits and roads in the quran.
Maybe by coincidence that the quran got it right.

There are many more than 7 orbits in the Solar System. You cannot count only the classical planets because the definition is a human-made term which is subject to change (and has been changed, as Pluto used to be considered a planet). You'd also have to count the orbits of the asteroids, comets and dwarf planets. Then there are also planets which orbit other stars.

 

[FearGod]

There are many more than 7 orbits in the Solar System. You cannot count only the classical planets because the definition is a human-made term which is subject to change (and has been changed, as Pluto used to be considered a planet). You'd also have to count the orbits of the asteroids, comets and dwarf planets. Then there are also planets which orbit other stars.

Pluto and other objects are floating in what called Kuiper belt which is the 7th layer of our heaven.

What about if the quran says 3 orbits or 2 or 100.
would that make sense.

The quran is talking about our world and which is our solar system and not about galaxies.

 

[Parsimony]

Pluto and other objects are floating in what called Kuiper belt which is the 7th layer of our heaven.

What about if the quran says 3 orbits or 2 or 100.
would that make sense.

The quran is talking about our world and which is our solar system and not about galaxies.

How do you know that the 7th layer of heaven refers to the Kuiper Belt? Is Pluto or the Kuiper Belt mentioned by name? I think you're just drawing arbitrary lines in order to make them fit with your theory. How do you even know that "layers" means "orbits"? If the Qu'ran was solely about "our world" then why should the Solar System as a whole play any role in it? If it was just about "our world", wouldn't it make more sense for the "heavens" to just refer to the atmosphere of the Earth?

 

[Sees]

Pluto and other objects are floating in what called Kuiper belt which is the 7th layer of our heaven.

What about if the quran says 3 orbits or 2 or 100.
would that make sense.

The quran is talking about our world and which is our solar system and not about galaxies.

I think it was just taking some old Jewish mythology and adding it in really...it's like stuff about how many types of angels are there and how many wings do they have. Any thing you find is just going to be wishful thinking making the connection. It's not important in the end.

If there was a unique, marvelous scientific factoid in there we would all know about it by now.

Do you think such a thing will convince non-believers if it is found?

 

[FearGod]

How do you know that the 7th layer of heaven refers to the Kuiper Belt? Is Pluto or the Kuiper Belt mentioned by name? I think you're just drawing arbitrary lines in order to make them fit with your theory. How do you even know that "layers" means "orbits"? If the Qu'ran was solely about "our world" then why should the Solar System as a whole play any role in it? If it was just about "our world", wouldn't it make more sense for the "heavens" to just refer to the atmosphere of the Earth?

I am glad that you were smart enough to understand my math where others failed .

I understand the 7 layers as to be the space surrounding the object or objects that orbiting the sun and the Kuiper belt contains several dwarf planets which floats in the same layer which is Kuiper belt and which is the 7th layer of heaven.

No i didn't make it to fit my theory,i am only searching for the truth.

 

[FearGod]

I think it was just taking some old Jewish mythology and adding it in really...it's like stuff about how many types of angels are there and how many wings do they have. Any thing you find is just going to be wishful thinking making the connection. It's not important in the end.

If there was a unique, marvelous scientific factoid in there we would all know about it by now.

Do you think such a thing will convince non-believers if it is found?

I don't think the non-believers will believe.

Guidance is by God,i agree.:yes:

 

[Sees]

I don't think the non-believers will believe.

Guidance is by God,i agree.:yes:

Here is something from Wikipedia about Jewish seven heavens

"The Biblical authors pictured the earth as a flat disk floating in water, with the heavens above and the underworld below.[2] The raqiya (firmament), a solid inverted bowl above the earth, coloured blue by the cosmic ocean, kept the waters above the earth from flooding the world.[3] From about 300 BCE the three-tiered cosmos was largely replaced by a newer Greek model which saw the earth as a sphere at the centre of a set of seven concentric heavens, one for each visible planet plus the sun and moon, with the realm of God in an eighth and highest heaven, but although several Jewish works from this period have multiple heavens, as do some New Testament works, none has exactly the formal Greek system.[4]

In the course of the 1st millennium CE Jewish scholars developed an elaborate system of Seven Heavens, their names being Vilon (וילון, also called "arafel"), Raki'a (רקי&#1506, Shehaqim (שחקי&#1501, Zebul (זבו&#1500, Ma'on (מעו&#1503, Machon (מכו&#1503, and Araboth (ערבו&#1514, where ofanim, the seraphim, and the hayyoth and the throne of the Lord are located.[5] Medieval Jewish Merkavah and Heichalot literature was devoted to discussing the details of these heavens, sometimes in connection with traditions relating to Enoch, such as the Third Book of Enoch.[6]"

Isn't it ok to just see this stuff as mythology that dealt with dreams and mystical talk? When you dig into it enough you might uncover stuff you don't like, instead of an amazing hidden scientific truth.

This was another case where Talmud and Rabbi musings made it into the Qur'an as scripture when it wasn't scripture to begin with. Muhammad didn't know the source of what he heard from Jews and assumed it was all heavenly Scripture from angels.

Same thing with the "spare one life is like sparing all mankind" Rabbi musings... Not Scripture.

I would just let it be what it is.

 

[Parsimony]

I am glad that you were smart enough to understand my math where others failed .

I understand the 7 layers as to be the space surrounding the object or objects that orbiting the sun and the Kuiper belt contains several dwarf planets which floats in the same layer which is Kuiper belt and which is the 7th layer of heaven.

No i didn't make it to fit my theory,i am only searching for the truth.

In that case, you'd have 9 layers as there are 8 planets (when you include Earth) plus the Kupier belt. Actually, you should have 10 if you also count the asteroid belt. If you count the Kuiper belt, then you need to count the asteroid belt as well.

 

[FearGod]

In that case, you'd have 9 layers as there are 8 planets (when you include Earth) plus the Kupier belt. Actually, you should have 10 if you also count the asteroid belt. If you count the Kuiper belt, then you need to count the asteroid belt as well.

Astroids that threatens earth.

Good points.

Do you think asteroids are always fixed in a specific orbit or it can be free which isn't the same case for Pluto and other dwarf planets in the Kuiper belt.

 

[Flankerl]

The edge of our solar system is located at Kaiper belt at distance of around 4.5 billion Km.

So there are objects beyond the solar system that orbit our sun that arent part of our solar system?


Yeah thats not how the scientific world sees it.

 

[Parsimony]

Astroids that threatens earth.

Good points.

Do you think asteroids are always fixed in a specific orbit or it can be free which isn't the same case for Pluto and other dwarf planets in the Kuiper belt.

Many asteroids do have given orbits. Look at Ceres, Pallas, Vesta and Juno, for example.

 

[averageJOE]

7 layers above us and called orbits and roads in the quran.
Maybe by coincidence that the quran got it right.

Another "The quran is proof that god exists" thread.

 

[Ouroboros]

I don't get it. The Kupier belt is between 30 AU and 50 AU because of it's width. So we're talking only about the inner circumference at 30 AU but not the outer circumference of 50 AU? Why? Shouldn't the edge, if one would assume Kupier being that one and not the Oort cloud, be the edge of the outer circle of the belt? Why the inner only?