God does exist

[FearGod]

I don't believe the deity as portrayed in the Bible exists, I believe it is a totally human creation.

Yes human have great imaginations that they created God in the past and now they are wiser and can imagine the universe created without even a single atom.

Do you think a single atom created the universe ?

if you have answers and you can prove that God doesn't exist then go for it.

 

[Quirkybird]

We can't prove or disprove the existence of some sort of deity that is true, but the Biblical deity is less than credible as well as being a highly unpleasant entity.

 

[egcroc]

Do you want me to guess whats going on billions of light years away from our galaxy.

billions of Years?!!! I'm talking about something that happens everyday less than a 100 km above your head

Do you believe that UFOS do exist and i hope that you do believe that you yourself do exist and not a delusion.

Are you serious in your discussion or just childish comments.

Oh I'm Dead serious mate, just read your Quran...

if you have answers and you can prove that God doesn't exist then go for it.

Burden of proof mate, have you ever heard of it?!!!

 

[FearGod]

billions of Years?!!! I'm talking about something that happens everyday less than a 100 km above your head

How did you configure it to be 100 km above your head.
is that the distance of stars (100km) that the evils are in contact with the angels at the upper heaven.

There is 2 places on the whole universe ,the lower one which is our universe and is called Al Dunia and the other one is beyond the stars and is called al-akhira and which is also the place of judgement day.

 

[Ouroboros]

How exactly did you get 4500000000?

And correct me if I'm wrong here, but the arrow goes to Pluto. I thought you were talking about Kuiper belt. Pluto is in it, but it doesn't represent the belt. The belt is extremely thick and wide and there are objects both closer and farther away than Pluto.

So could you give the exact point or object you're using to measure the distance? And, is the calculation based on aphelions, perihelions, or averages?

The distance from Earth to Pluto based on average distance is something like 5,756,776,272 km.

 

[Ouroboros]

You can see how close I am.

How far is Pluto from Earth

The width between earth and the edge is upward and not downward.

Mate, we are talking about billions of Kilometers.
Is it by coincidence or God indeed does exist.

Your link doesn't prove your point but rather shows what's the problem is with your argument. Pluto's distance varies (a word that means it changes between) 4.4 to 7.4 billion kilometers. That's no small change. It's a difference of 3 billion km, which is 69% of 4.4 and 40% of 7.4.

In that wide of range, I can find my phone number, home address, birthdate, and name, all in ASCII if I just looked for it. So that "width-diameter-circumference" would show that I AM God!

The only thing I can see from your argument is that you picked the numbers that fit your intent. That's not evidence of God, but evidence of your ability pick numbers that fit.

 

[FearGod]

How exactly did you get 4500000000?

And correct me if I'm wrong here, but the arrow goes to Pluto. I thought you were talking about Kuiper belt. Pluto is in it, but it doesn't represent the belt. The belt is extremely thick and wide and there are objects both closer and farther away than Pluto.

So could you give the exact point or object you're using to measure the distance? And, is the calculation based on aphelions, perihelions, or averages?

The distance from Earth to Pluto based on average distance is something like 5,756,776,272 km.

The distance from earth to Kuiper belt starts approx at 29 AU and i added 1 AU as to be the space of layer 7 which is of course added by default.

 

[Ouroboros]

The distance from earth to Kuiper belt starts approx at 29 AU and i added 1 AU as to be the space of layer 7 which is of course added by default.

Ok.

I still think it's a "pick a number to fit" game.

Whatever. If it works for you, then it works for you.

 

[SkylarHunter]

As much as I believe in God this thread is giving me a head ache.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

The width between earth and the edge is upward and not downward.

During the day, the Sun is upward.

 

[FearGod]

Ok.

I still think it's a "pick a number to fit" game.

Whatever. If it works for you, then it works for you.

Not true,i ain't playing.

Let's play and pick numbers.

Assume the width is exactly at 29AU ,then the accuracy rate is 94.6 %

Let's go further and add 10 AU ( 1495978706 Km),so the width will be 39 AU,then the accuracy rate is 78.5 %

So i am still there and i do pass the exam.

 

[Ouroboros]

Assume the width is exactly at 29AU ,then the accuracy rate is 94.6 %

The width is between 30 and 50 AU. There's no specific rim. At some places it's wider and at some other places it's more narrow.

So do your calculation with 50 AU as well.

Let's go further and add 10 AU ( 1495978706 Km),so the width will be 39 AU,then the accuracy rate is 78.5 %

So i am still there and i do pass the exam.

A God who used math to prove his existence would be 100% accurate, not below.

Still, the numbers you pick are the ones that fit your intent. Biased reasoning isn't scientific.


Besides that, accidental numbers do coincide in the world. I can find my name, phone number, birthdate, and more in the sequence of pi. That must make me God.

If you have to go through all these lengths to prove God to yourself, then your God isn't God. God must be self-evident every second you breathe, from everything there is, and everything you see and experience. God of all isn't a God that has to be proven through manipulation of numbers.

But as I said, if that works for you, then go for it. To me, exercises like these are futile and miss the point.

 

[FearGod]

The width is between 30 and 50 AU. There's no specific rim. At some places it's wider and at some other places it's more narrow.

So do your calculation with 50 AU as well.

Try to calculate it yourself.

A God who used math to prove his existence would be 100% accurate, not below.

Who said to you that God used math, its me the one trying to see if there is a conflict in the size given for the paradise and i found it to be matching.

Still, the numbers you pick are the ones that fit your intent. Biased reasoning isn't scientific.

So which number we should pick, 80 AU

Besides that, accidental numbers do coincide in the world. I can find my name, phone number, birthdate, and more in the sequence of pi. That must make me God.

So you think it may be a coincidence

If you have to go through all these lengths to prove God to yourself, then your God isn't God. God must be self-evident every second you breathe, from everything there is, and everything you see and experience. God of all isn't a God that has to be proven through manipulation of numbers.

Yes we should feel God while we breath,he smells God.:yes:

But as I said, if that works for you, then go for it. To me, exercises like these are futile and miss the point.

Yes and it cause a headache.

 

[Ouroboros]

So you think it may be a coincidence

Yes.

Yes we should feel God while we breath,he smells God.:yes:

God smells like garlic.

Yes and it cause a headache.

So I heard.

 

[Triumphant_Loser]

if you have answers and you can prove that God doesn't exist then go for it.

Sorry pal... the burden of proof lies upon the person making the claim. Can you prove that there isn't an invisible magic space-pixie living in a teapot on the dark side of the moon?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Not true,i ain't playing.

Let's play and pick numbers.

Assume the width is exactly at 29AU ,then the accuracy rate is 94.6 %

Let's go further and add 10 AU ( 1495978706 Km),so the width will be 39 AU,then the accuracy rate is 78.5 %

So i am still there and i do pass the exam.

Again: your God is 5.4% to 21.5% imperfect?

 

[FearGod]

Sorry pal... the burden of proof lies upon the person making the claim. Can you prove that there isn't an invisible magic space-pixie living in a teapot on the dark side of the moon?

There is something called common sense.

Religion isn't about where God is or how he looks like as to see him face to face in order to believe that he does exist.

It is a way of life which is hard for someone to follow.

There are many clues in the quran but it depends how you want to perceive them.

The 2 verses describing the size of the paradise which is in billions of kilometers,one verse gives the exact diameter of paradise which is 4.58 billion Km and the other verse gives a description of the width to be the size of earth and heavens.

The description was correct since the diameter of 4.58 billion Km gets us inside Kuiper belt which is known to be the edge of our solar system.

Coincidence, compare it to the stupid idea of Russell's teapot.

 

[egcroc]

The 2 verses describing the size of the paradise which is in billions of kilometers,one verse gives the exact diameter of paradise which is 4.58 billion Km and the other verse gives a description of the width to be the size of earth and heavens.

The description was correct since the diameter of 4.58 billion Km gets us inside Kuiper belt which is known to be the edge of our solar system.

Coincidence, compare it to the stupid idea of Russell's teapot.

did you even read your verses?
"hastening toward forgiveness from your Lord and toward
a Garden whereof the width is as the width of the heavens and the earth,
gotten ready for those who believe in Allah and His apostles."

first you have to prove to us that your 'Paradise' exists... i.e. there is indeed a magical garden with rivers of wine and honey floating around in kuiper belt, which is in fact a vast area of space with nothing but billions of frozen rocks floating around, doesn't look like much of a "paradise" to me...

I can just claim that there's a magical black '67 chevy Impala floating in Kuiper belt, and you can't prove me wrong...

you should read your Quran, I mean all of it

 

[FearGod]

did you even read your verses?
"hastening toward forgiveness from your Lord and toward
a Garden whereof the width is as the width of the heavens and the earth,
gotten ready for those who believe in Allah and His apostles."

first you have to prove to us that your 'Paradise' exists... i.e. there is indeed a magical garden with rivers of wine and honey floating around in kuiper belt, which is in fact a vast area of space with nothing but billions of frozen rocks floating around, doesn't look like much of a "paradise" to me...

I can just claim that there's a magical black '67 chevy Impala floating in Kuiper belt, and you can't prove me wrong...

you should read your Quran, I mean all of it

What a silly post, the verse is about the size of the paradise and not where it is located.

Please keep on topic discussing the 2 verses describing the size of the planet "paradise" ,but if in a case that you hate Islam as a religion,then you can ignore this thread entirely.

 

[egcroc]

What a silly post, the verse is about the size of the paradise and not where it is located.

Please keep on topic discussing the 2 verses describing the size of the planet "paradise" ,but if in a case that you hate Islam as a religion,then you can ignore this thread entirely.

still you have to prove that your Solar-System-size 'Planet Paradise' does exist, which I pretty much doubt would still remain a planet at such giant size, the sheer pressure caused by its own Gravity will difinitely trigger Fusion Reactions at its core, turning it into a Giant Star, much Larger than the Largest Star Ever discovered....

another thing, During the Night Journey, Muhammad saw Sidrat Al-Muntaha... a giant Aldar Buckthorn in Heaven, he said its roots were in the sixth heaven, it reached high through the 7th heaven and right under Paradise and the throne [Sahih Nasa'i/450]... so the burden of proof is still on you to prove that there's a cosmic aldar buckthorn tree between Neptune and Pluto....

oh and by the way, I hate Islam as much as I hate LOTR, at least the latter is original and has a consistent plot, not a sloppy ripoff from other fairy tales..

oh, and Did you know about Moses Night Journey From Judeo-Christian Scriptures?!!!