God... He or She?

[Trailblazer]

Many so-called Christians think when they die they're going to live in heaven and probably never come back to the earth anyway. So your statement, frankly, doesn't make sense.

That is true. When Christians die they are going to heaven and they are never going to come back to earth, but God's kingdom on earth is not being built for people who have died. All those people will go to another world, a spiritual world.

God's kingdom on earth will be for people who are LIVING on earth when it is built, and for future generations of LIVING people.

 

[Trailblazer]

Did he want his disciples to pray for God's kingdom to come?

Yes, He did.

 

[1213]

And only fathers cause births?

Which birth(s) are you talking about? Adam? Jesus? Someone else?

Basically all birth is caused by God, because He has given and created life.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Basically all birth is caused by God, because He has given and created life.

So what about that makes God a "father" as opposed to "mother," "builder," "breeder," etc.?

I mean, this whole tangent started because you insisted that God's gender identity isn't arbitrary because "he fathered"... but so far, it seems like that description of God is arbitrary.

 

[Trailblazer]

Basically all birth is caused by God, because He has given and created life.

Basically all human birth is caused by a man and a woman having sex and creating a new life.
The only exception to this is Jesus, who had no human father, only a mother, and came into existence through God's Holy Spirit.

 

[1213]

Basically all human birth is caused by a man and a woman having sex and creating a new life.

Humans don't give life, they reproduce. All cells you have, have life, and it is not caused by you. And when people reproduce, it is because they cause two living cells to meet.

 

[1213]

So what about that makes God a "father" as opposed to "mother," "builder," "breeder," etc.?

Mother births, which is not what God does. I think God could be called also builder, but it is not similar matter as father and mother. And I don't see any good reason to call God breeder.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Mother births, which is not what God does.

You can be a mother without "birthing," but if this is your paradigm, why aren't you also going with "father impregnates the one who births"?

I think God could be called also builder, but it is not similar matter as father and mother. And I don't see any good reason to call God breeder.

It seems to me that your reasons for calling God "father" and therefore "him" don't really make sense.

I get the impression that, for you, it really does come down to God's "self-expressed" gender identity and your feeling that it fits.

 

[Trailblazer]

Humans don't give life, they reproduce.

Humans create new life by the process of reproduction.
If you believe that it is God who gives life you are going to have to explain how that works.

All cells you have, have life, and it is not caused by you.

What do you think it is caused by, God?
Is there a biblical basis for this belief?

 

[1213]

Humans create new life by the process of reproduction.

Sorry, I disagree with that. In no part of reproduction life is created, life only continues in that.

If you believe that it is God who gives life you are going to have to explain how that works.

God gave life by creating it. I can't create life, therefore I can't explain how it happens.

What do you think it is caused by, God?

I think it is the only reasonable explanation for life, because life is not spontaneously coming from dead non organic material in nature.

 

[1213]

You can be a mother without "birthing,"

How? What do you think mother means?

but if this is your paradigm, why aren't you also going with "father impregnates the one who births"?

Impregnates is just one way to cause birth.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

How?

Adoptive parenting, for instance.

What do you think mother means?

A mother is a parent who is a woman. What do you think it means?

Impregnates is just one way to cause birth.

But you need a way of "causing birth" that can only be done by a "he."

Look - I'm grasping at straws here. I'm giving you tremendous benefit of the doubt by assuming that you have a coherent reason for calling God "he" that doesn't just end up being about his (purportedly) self-declared gender identity. That benefit of the doubt is running out quickly.

 

[Trailblazer]

Sorry, I disagree with that. In no part of reproduction life is created, life only continues in that.

Sorry, I disagree with that. Reproduction creates new life. Were it not for reproduction all life on this planet would eventually cease to exist.
Doesn't the Bible say "be fruitful and multiply?"

God gave life by creating it. I can't create life, therefore I can't explain how it happens.

Sorry, I do not believe in creationism or that Adam and Eve were the first man and woman.
I believe that all life in including humans evolved. I believe that God set that process in motion so God is responsible for that process.

I think it is the only reasonable explanation for life, because life is not spontaneously coming from dead non organic material in nature.

As I said above, I believe that life on earth evolved over the course of time. I do not know how the earliest life forms came into existence but I think God was responsible for them. I also believe that God's creation has always existed but not in the form we see today.

“As to thy question concerning the origin of creation. Know assuredly that God’s creation hath existed from eternity, and will continue to exist forever. Its beginning hath had no beginning, and its end knoweth no end. His name, the Creator, presupposeth a creation, even as His title, the Lord of Men, must involve the existence of a servant.

As to those sayings, attributed to the Prophets of old, such as, “In the beginning was God; there was no creature to know Him,” and “The Lord was alone; with no one to adore Him,” the meaning of these and similar sayings is clear and evident, and should at no time be misapprehended. To this same truth bear witness these words which He hath revealed: “God was alone; there was none else besides Him. He will always remain what He hath ever been.” Every discerning eye will readily perceive that the Lord is now manifest, yet there is none to recognize His glory. By this is meant that the habitation wherein the Divine Being dwelleth is far above the reach and ken of any one besides Him.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 150-151

 

[Spice]

As to those sayings, attributed to the Prophets of old, such as, “In the beginning was God; there was no creature to know Him,” and “The Lord was alone; with no one to adore Him,” the meaning of these and similar sayings is clear and evident, and should at no time be misapprehended. To this same truth bear witness these words which He hath revealed: “God was alone; there was none else besides Him. He will always remain what He hath ever been.”

Interesting. What Holy Texts teaches God's "aloneness" and what prophets spoke this?
Genesis 1:1-25 has God working alone, but then in verse 26 it is clear he is not alone:Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; ...
TIA for the info....

 

[Trailblazer]

Interesting. What Holy Texts teaches God's "aloneness" and what prophets spoke this?

That is in the Writings if Baha'u'llah.

“And now concerning thy reference to the existence of two Gods. Beware, beware, lest thou be led to join partners with the Lord, thy God. He is, and hath from everlasting been, one and alone, without peer or equal, eternal in the past, eternal in the future, detached from all things, ever-abiding, unchangeable, and self-subsisting. He hath assigned no associate unto Himself in His Kingdom, no counsellor to counsel Him, none to compare unto Him, none to rival His glory. To this every atom of the universe beareth witness, and beyond it the inmates of the realms on high, they that occupy the most exalted seats, and whose names are remembered before the Throne of Glory.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 192

Genesis 1:1-25 has God working alone, but then in verse 26 it is clear he is not alone:Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; ...
TIA for the info....

Genesis 1:26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

Why do you think that means that God was not alone?

 

[Spice]

That is in the Writings if Baha'u'llah.

“And now concerning thy reference to the existence of two Gods. Beware, beware, lest thou be led to join partners with the Lord, thy God. He is, and hath from everlasting been, one and alone, without peer or equal, eternal in the past, eternal in the future, detached from all things, ever-abiding, unchangeable, and self-subsisting. He hath assigned no associate unto Himself in His Kingdom, no counsellor to counsel Him, none to compare unto Him, none to rival His glory. To this every atom of the universe beareth witness, and beyond it the inmates of the realms on high, they that occupy the most exalted seats, and whose names are remembered before the Throne of Glory.”
Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 192

Genesis 1:26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.”

Why do you think that means that God was not alone?

The language is plural -- "us" and "our." And weren't angels already apart of the heavenly rehelm? Where did the serpent who spoke to Eve originate. Apparently their was some assumed authority about it for Eve to listen.
Yes, I saw this passage was from Baha'u'llah's writings, but what did he reference to make this statement?

 

[Trailblazer]

The language is plural -- "us" and "our."

“Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness,"

I have wondered why it says us and our since I do not believe anyone but God created man. On the other hand I am not a creationist so I do not hold to a literal interpretation of Genesis 1.

And weren't angels already apart of the heavenly rehelm? Where did the serpent who spoke to Eve originate. Apparently their was some assumed authority about it for Eve to listen.

I also do not believe in a literal interpretation of the story of Adam and Eve, but rather I believe it was an allegory, so I don't believe there was an Adam and Eve and garden and a serpent who spoke to Eve.

30: ADAM AND EVE

Yes, I saw this passage was from Baha'u'llah's writings, but what did he reference to make this statement?

He did not reference anything since His Writings come from His revelation which came from God.

A revelation from God

 

[1213]

A mother is a parent who is a woman. What do you think it means?

A person who gives birth.

 

[1213]

Reproduction creates new life. Were it not for reproduction all life on this planet would eventually cease to exist.
Doesn't the Bible say "be fruitful and multiply?"

In that case, please tell, in what moment the life is added, when does the cells become living?

It is true that Bible tells "be fruitful and multiply". People and other lifeforms multiply. But, they don't create life.

Sorry, I do not believe in creationism or that Adam and Eve were the first man and woman.
I believe that all life in including humans evolved.

Please tell, why do you believe humans evolved?

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

A person who gives birth.

And this person could also be a father, by the definition you gave?