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God is a liar?
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Sleeppy
Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
I'm aware of Satanism. It's fairly new. Which is a point against it. As far as I know it doesn't even make the claims it needs to for Satan to be considered as god.
and? If God is a malevolent creature and Satan is our saviour then you lose everything following God and gain everything following Satan
cablescavenger
Well-Known Member
IMO it is man that is the liar of which God and Satan are a consequence, so I would say follow neither and enjoy life.Now that I have your attention
How can we know that God isn't deceiving us and that actually Satan is the one we should be following?
of course. If we take it to be real i.e. God is real and has written this book, Satan is real and has revealed himself to his followers then how can we tell who to trust?
Sleeppy
Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
Does Satan make that claim? If so, how does he prove it?
God even admits to it. Satan sees Adam and Eve living under blind obedience to God. So he disguises himself as a snake and persuades them to gain the knowledge to think for themselves. after doing this they realise what they were doing. Here Satan is viewed as saving us from a robotic life of blind obedience.
Comet
Harvey Wallbanger
Depends if there are more 'witnesses'
I believe the Bible from which you argue says there were many witnesses....
written inspired by God. So he could have easily deceived these people
riley2112
Active Member
What does God admit to ? Where does it say that Satan disguised himself as a snake? And were we living a robotic life of blind obedience or a life of worry free bliss?
Sleeppy
Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
God doesn't admit that. He admits that they were about to die in the hands of Satan, which they did. If Satan is a savior, why did he leave them to die? Why is his instrument, the snake, being rebuked - made to go about on it's belly eating dust? If Satan is a savior, why did Adam and Eve leave the Garden at God's command?
He writes the story into Genesis. The snake is usually thought to be Satan, I'd agree with that interpretation. And it depends how you view it. Some will see it as boring forced obedience others as worry free bliss depending on your bias
How do we know that God wasn't going to just kill Adam and Eve anyway? How do we know that Satan was defeated? Because the bible says so? Then how do we know it's not a deception.
riley2112
Active Member
Where does it say that it was satan that tempted Adam and Eve, and where does it say anything about them dieing in the hands of satan?
Sleeppy
Fatalist. Christian. Pacifist.
If Satan was their savior, he would've saved them from death, either way. If you keep quoting the Bible, you'll see.
You have to use something else, because the Bible doesn't say anything like you're suggesting. So we can't use the Biblical Satan.
What other Satan do you have? Determine him, then we might be able to answer questions about him.
good advice and point