God is strange or are we the weirdos.

[TagliatelliMonster]

If it is incomprehensible TO YOU then you do not need to participate.

Or you can do like me and ask the OP to clarify how it is supposed to be analogous.

I'm not seeing it. I like to learn. So I ask questions.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Exactly, why pick on God than?

No god has ever showed up before me to have a conversation.

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Believe it or not, this is kinda trendy in certain groups. Nothing has inherent reality. All perception is completely false. Not incomplete, but nothing about it is true. And then they try to prove it using real world examples... from reality. It's literally self-defeating.

None the less, it means something simple like players on a baseball team are questionable. Are they real? Is this the matrix?

Which groups are you talking about?
Are some of them posting on this forum?

 

[wellwisher]

We live in space-time where time and space are connected and act like one integrated thing. The speed of light, with speed = d/t, is constant. Space and time, here, are a connected as a math function based on division. Say time and space were not connected, so time and space could each act independent of each other.

If I could move in space, apart from time, the speed of light would not apply and I would become omnipresent. There is no division by time. This is a classic attribute of God. It appears God is part of a realm where space and time are not connected. This is not be easy to model based on connected space-time thinking. Science is looking in the wrong place, since it is not aware that space-time is only part of our reality.

Formulated by the German physicist and Nobel laureate Werner Heisenberg in 1927, the uncertainty principle states that we cannot know both the position and speed of a particle, such as a photon or electron, with perfect accuracy; the more we nail down the particle's position, the less we know about its speed and vice ...

This classic foundation premise of science and physics, has been misinterpreted for decades to mean uncertainty and probability. At the quantum level, this Principle shows that space and time are not exactly connected. If it was, it we knew position, some space-time equation, should allow us to know; predict, the speed. But the two variables position; space, and speed; needs time, are acting like each variable is an independent variable. It is quite logical and not based on a dice and cards hocus hocus.

Science needs to catch up and not be so archaic. I can lead them to water but they need to drink. They may need to get rid of Atheism since it blocks the brain from expanding into this new area. This will be called religion and trigger a reflex to block and go blank minded. The religion of Atheism is now hurting science; casino science uses a false god of drunk walking and falling into crap or gold. It is really logical use of two independent potentials.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Science needs to catch up and not be so archaic. I can lead them to water but they need to drink.

You, all by yourself, can provide the entire world of science with what they need? Gosh, you must be extraordinarily well-educated.

 

[Mock Turtle]

No god has ever showed up before me to have a conversation.

Like me, but perhaps we are not worthy or we need to prime our minds so as to believe whatever happens is God.

 

[Quintessence]

Yeah, the opening post is a major reason why I just do not understand atheism most days. To have relationships with the gods, you have to just... not ignore what's literally right in front of your face on a daily basis? It's... it's just very bizarre to me.

Then again, I live in a culture whose most salient conception of gods is divorced from the physical reality we live in.

 

[dybmh]

Is that supposed to be a description of your average sceptic?

No, perhaps you were in a rush reading my post. . It says it's an example of skepticism "gone too far".

Or you can do like me and ask the OP to clarify how it is supposed to be analogous.

I'm not seeing it. I like to learn. So I ask questions.

Perhaps this should be directed to @LuisDantas ?

Also, there is a recent thread where Luis and I disagreed on the proper behavior resulting from incomprehensible language. So there's context and history to my reply to him of which you may not be aware.

Which groups are you talking about?
Are some of them posting on this forum?

I think they're listed in the Wikipedia article on panpsychism? I think? And there's a research psychologist, PHD, named Donald David Hoffman who I've seen lifted up online recently who promotes this idea. Wrote a book about it. I've been told it's congruent with Mahayana Buddhist teachings.

Although, I would be remiss not to mention, Hoffman's theory is swiss-cheese. ( do they say that where you are? Swiss-cheese means it's full of holes. )

 

[viole]

Analogy:

Lovely Lady: You want to go on a date?

Skeptic: Yes, but you got to prove you are real!

Lovely Lady: What, I'm right in front of you, you see me don't you?

Skeptic: It can be that you are robot programmed as a human designed to trick me from Aliens.

Lovely Lady: Bye Weird person.

Skeptic: Aha, I knew it, she was a robot. Nice try Aliens!

Here is the true analogy:

Lovely Lady:

Skeptic: Yes, but you got to prove you are real!

Lovely Lady:

Skeptic: It can be that you are robot programmed as a human designed to trick me from Aliens.

Lovely Lady:

Skeptic: Aha, I knew it, she was a robot. Nice try Aliens!

ciao

- viole

 

[Link]

Here is the true analogy:

Lovely Lady:

Skeptic: Yes, but you got to prove you are real!

Lovely Lady:

Skeptic: It can be that you are robot programmed as a human designed to trick me from Aliens.

Lovely Lady:

Skeptic: Aha, I knew it, she was a robot. Nice try Aliens!

ciao

- viole

Haha, you are a smart cookie. I like your response.

 

[LuisDantas]

Relax, it's just food for thought.

I guess it works as a warning for the exoticism of certain theisms.

 

[LuisDantas]

Haha, you are a smart cookie. I like your response.

Are you aware that is a pretty obvious response?

 

[dybmh]

I guess it works as a warning for the exoticism of certain theisms.

Is exotic bad?

Are you aware that is a pretty obvious response?

Hee. If the analogy includes the lovely lady not heard, then it needs to be adjusted such that the skeptic is blind and deaf. Or perhaps, the skeptic asks the question, ignores the answer, then complains about the silence.

Or even better, the skeptic asks the question, never stops talking, assumes they know the answer already, is unable to hear the answer over their own words.

They're oblivious to how rude it is; they're oblivious to how counter productive is. Then raises a frustrated fist, like they're screaming at clouds, "why don't you answer me??!!"

 

[Link]

Yeah, the opening post is a major reason why I just do not understand atheism most days. To have relationships with the gods, you have to just... not ignore what's literally right in front of your face on a daily basis? It's... it's just very bizarre to me.

Then again, I live in a culture whose most salient conception of gods is divorced from the physical reality we live in.

Thanks. Can I pm you to expand on details or would you rather I ask here?

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

We are made in God’s image. It’s just not the flex He thought it was.

 

[Quintessence]

Thanks. Can I pm you to expand on details or would you rather I ask here?

Details on what? Feel free to respond here with clarifying questions and observations as you will. I may or may not have a response depending on the whims of the moment but I try to as a courtesy.

 

[Link]

Details on what? Feel free to respond here with clarifying questions and observations as you will. I may or may not have a response depending on the whims of the moment but I try to as a courtesy.

Okay, what do you see? How do you know they are gods as opposed to spirits? And how do you know they are to be trusted?

You can pm still if you don't want to respond here.

 

[LuisDantas]

Is exotic bad?

It is here. Particularly when coupled with often unspoken assumptions that everyone somehow ought to accept and even share those same views.

Unfortunately, that is a very common situation.

Hee. If the analogy includes the lovely lady not heard, then it needs to be adjusted such that the skeptic is blind and deaf. Or perhaps, the skeptic asks the question, ignores the answer, then complains about the silence.

Or even better, the skeptic asks the question, never stops talking, assumes they know the answer already, is unable to hear the answer over their own words.

They're oblivious to how rude it is; they're oblivious to how counter productive is. Then raises a frustrated fist, like they're screaming at clouds, "why don't you answer me??!!"

If you say so.

Myself, I see the metaphor as hopelessly flawed from the get go. If dogmatic belief is a prerequisite (and it is), you can't very well use it.

 

[dybmh]

It is here. Particularly when coupled with often unspoken assumptions that everyone somehow ought to accept and even share those same views.

Unfortunately, that is a very common situation.

Wow, dude. I think you're really reading a lot into something you simply don't claim to understand.

If you say so.

Myself, I see the metaphor as hopelessly flawed from the get go. If dogmatic belief is a prerequisite (and it is), you can't very well use it.

Yeah, it seems as if there is an alternate reality happening in your mind. The analogy has nothing to do with dogmatic belief until the analogy is adjusted and changed by someone who identifies as an atheist. Then the analogy makes sense to you, in this adapted changed state.

Just postulating out loud here... feel free to comment.

What's interesting to me is that sometimes when something is beyond a person's comprehension, the blanks get filled with a sort of fantasy worst case scenario. A conspiracy theory. And then I wonder, if imagining this worst case scenario is rewarding somehow. If so, there is incentive to avoid comprehension, or pretend not to understand it, which permits demonizing something and creating a horror story in their mind.

It's like there is a typical predicable fringey-fringe conspiracy mindset. And there's also the need to convince others of the horror story... It's a facinating study of human behavior. It happens here in America on both sides of the political spectrum. I wonder what triggers it and I wonder what circumstances encourage it. Understanding this and preventing it, I think, would solve so many problems proactively, don't you think?

 

[LuisDantas]

Wow, dude. I think you're really reading a lot into something you simply don't claim to understand.

I am not.

Neither of the two parts of your statement above applies to me, as a matter of fact. I have no idea why you think otherwise.