God Knows Pain

[The Hammer]

He is

Schrodinger's Jesus?

 

[Jimmy]

So what? If the Bible stories are true, Jesus was only dead for three days, kind of like a person who is in a coma.

Then if the Bible stories are true, Jesus rose from the dead, kind of like a person coming out of a coma.

Those in a coma have a pulse

 

[Jimmy]

Schrodinger's Jesus?

It seems that Jesus is not everybody’s cup of tea.

 

[Trailblazer]

Those in a coma have a pulse

That is irrelevant. The only thing that is relevant is that they were both completely unconscious and they both came back to life.

 

[Trailblazer]

It seems that Jesus is not everybody’s cup of tea.

Jesus is my cup of tea but Christianity is not.
Christianity veered so far away from the teachings of Jesus that it isn't even funny.

 

[Jimmy]

That is irrelevant. The only thing that is relevant is that they were both completely unconscious and they both came back to life.

Jesus died

 

[Jimmy]

Jesus is my cup of tea but Christianity is not.
Christianity veered so far away from the teachings of Jesus that it isn't even funny.

Not really

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

You always hear people complaining that if there was a God he wouldn’t allow bad things to happen. People seem to forget that his son died. He knows a little something about pain imo.

Well, in your faith that is your version of God. But since we are in general religious debates, I would point that your version is not the only version of religion. And in more general terms as related to the problem of evil, that it might not solve that.

 

[Trailblazer]

Jesus died

Yes He did but He is not dead.

 

[The Hammer]

Yes He did but He is not dead.

Neither are my Ancestors.

 

[HonestJoe]

You always hear people complaining that if there was a God he wouldn’t allow bad things to happen. People seem to forget that his son died. He knows a little something about pain imo.

As per the Bible, God allowed (arguably, caused) his son's death to make a theological point to his followers, in the full knowledge that he would resurrect his son and bring him to heaven. Trying to compare that to the pain and suffering of parents who loose a child is grossly insulting and ignorant.

 

[Kathryn]

I can’t imagine that kind of loss. My heartfelt condolences.

Thank you. It all has really changed me.

 

[Jimmy]

Yes He did but He is not dead.

I agree

 

[Jimmy]

As per the Bible, God allowed (arguably, caused) his son's death to make a theological point to his followers, in the full knowledge that he would resurrect his son and bring him to heaven. Trying to compare that to the pain and suffering of parents who loose a child is grossly insulting and ignorant.

Never compared it.

 

[sun rise]

I don't have a Christian belief that Jesus died on the cross. But death comes to everyone and everything. To me the real message is the suffering of the Christ who took on the darkness of the world to bring in light.

 

[sun rise]

It seems that Jesus is not everybody’s cup of tea.

Of course that's not a surprise. Atheists don't believe because they don't believe. Members of other religions have their own views. Some accept Jesus as one incarnation of the eternal Christ and so forth.

 

[HonestJoe]

Never compared it.

You stated that God knows pain because his son died. How is that not comparing God with people whose children die? If that wasn't your intention, what was it?

You also didn't address the issue that the Biblical God would know Jesus would die and also that he could and would be resurrected, and could be argued to have caused (or at least allowed) his death as a result. I'm not sure how much pain you could attribute to God on that basis.

Of course, this is really just one small example of the theological contradiction of an omnipotent, omniscient and infinite deity having temporal characteristics and emotions attributed to them. You can't have it both ways.

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

You always hear people complaining that if there was a God he wouldn’t allow bad things to happen.

The claim is that if a tri-omni deity existed - omniscient, omnipotent, and omnibenevolent - that there would be no gratuitous or useless suffering. It's not hard to imagine other types of gods, so this is not an argument against gods existing. It's an argument against that specific kind of god existing.

People seem to forget that his son died. He knows a little something about pain imo.

How is that relevant? Such knowledge should lead to increased empathy, not increased indifference to suffering.

Also, an omnipotent deity doesn't need a blood sacrifice in order to commune with "sinners" in an afterlife. If the god to which you refer can't do something that you and I can do - be in the presence of "sin" and tolerate it when appropriate - then why call it omnipotent?

It seems that Jesus is not everybody’s cup of tea

Don't feel picked upon. Atheists find no gods to be their cup of tea.

 

[Twilight Hue]

He died, was resurrected, is in heaven now and will return.

Ok. But that rules out a sacrifice was made.

 

[Jimmy]

You stated that God knows pain because his son died. How is that not comparing God with people whose children die? If that wasn't your intention, what was it?

You also didn't address the issue that the Biblical God would know Jesus would die and also that he could and would be resurrected, and could be argued to have caused (or at least allowed) his death as a result. I'm not sure how much pain you could attribute to God on that basis.

Of course, this is really just one small example of the theological contradiction of an omnipotent, omniscient and infinite deity having temporal characteristics and emotions attributed to them. You can't have it both ways.

Christianity isn’t for everyone