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God Loves Everyone.. Unless You're Different Than Me

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ILoveUU

New Member
Hi all! I'm new to this website, and I know I'm probably taking a risk here by bringing up a controversial subject, but I'm curious to see how people respond: Christianity and Homosexuality.

The basic ideals of Christianity are simple and give a good message: God created and loves every one of us. If we do good in the world, treat others well, fight for justice, then we are rewarded a lovely spot in Heaven with him. My question is... why hate homosexuals? I mean, I know that in the Bible somewhere it says that being gay is wrong, along with a whole bunch of other things, but why? Why do people think that God would send a person to Hell merely for loving another one of his creations? I'm genuinely curious about this, not looking for a debate necessarily. What do you think?
 
Shiranui117

Shiranui117

Pronounced Shee-ra-noo-ee
Premium Member
Hatred has no place in Christianity. If one hates homosexuals and says they're going to Hell for being gay, then that person's being hypocritical and a lousy Christian.
 
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ILoveUU

New Member
You'd think so, but there are so many definitions for the word "Christian". My enlightened, accepting best friend is a Christian, and at the same time the people at Westboro Baptist Church call themselves Christians!
 
dgirl1986

dgirl1986

Big Queer Chesticles!
People reject that which they do not understand and often use religion to back it up. Though some are genuinely against it because of their religion or faith. However, it isnt fair to place their beliefs onto other people.

You would think in this day and age, with the apparent understanding of the teachings of Christ etc that there would be a little more love to go around. Sadly, this doesnt seem to be the case.
 
Skwim

Skwim

Veteran Member
ILoveUU said:
Hi all! I'm new to this website, and I know I'm probably taking a risk here by bringing up a controversial subject, but I'm curious to see how people respond: Christianity and Homosexuality.

The basic ideals of Christianity are simple and give a good message: God created and loves every one of us. If we do good in the world, treat others well, fight for justice, then we are rewarded a lovely spot in Heaven with him. My question is... why hate homosexuals? I mean, I know that in the Bible somewhere it says that being gay is wrong, along with a whole bunch of other things, but why?
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Why, indeed. Yet there we have it:
Leviticus 18:22
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Leviticus 20:13
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Deuteronomy 22:5
The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.
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Why do people think that God would send a person to Hell merely for loving another one of his creations?
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Because the Bible intimates as much.

What do you think?
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I think it's in keeping with a god who created evil, and practiced the wholesale, indiscriminate, extermination of humans
 
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xvFIRESTORMvx

Member
‘Love your neighbor as yourself.' - Mark 12:31
I'm undecided on the whole issue that Christianity has with homosexuals but I think that in this passage Jesus is telling people to love all people, including not discriminating based upon their sexuality. But saying this, I could be completely wrong though.
 
Sunstone

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
xvFIRESTORMvx said:
‘Love your neighbor as yourself.' - Mark 12:31
I'm undecided on the whole issue that Christianity has with homosexuals but I think that in this passage Jesus is telling people to love all people, including not discriminating based upon their sexuality. But saying this, I could be completely wrong though.
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I think you might very be right. Although I once overheard in a coffee shop a young woman tell her friend that Jesus meant by "neighbor" only those people who were members of one's church.
 
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xvFIRESTORMvx

Member
Sunstone said:
I once overheard in a coffee shop a young woman tell her friend that Jesus meant by "neighbor" only those people who were members of one's church.
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Wow. I don't think that is strictly true, but then I try and see everyone as either family in mutual understanding of faith or in Adam and Eve, but that's just my opinion.
I don't see why Jesus would discriminate people over their sexual orientation, their actions maybe because what you think is different to what you do and what thoughts you act upon, but who am I to know?
 
Sand Dancer

Sand Dancer

Currently catless
It perplexes me. Homosexuals go to Hell if they don't have a relationship with Jesus, not for being homosexuals.
 
Comet

Comet

Harvey Wallbanger
ILoveUU said:
Hi all! I'm new to this website, and I know I'm probably taking a risk here by bringing up a controversial subject, but I'm curious to see how people respond: Christianity and Homosexuality.

The basic ideals of Christianity are simple and give a good message: God created and loves every one of us. If we do good in the world, treat others well, fight for justice, then we are rewarded a lovely spot in Heaven with him. My question is... why hate homosexuals? I mean, I know that in the Bible somewhere it says that being gay is wrong, along with a whole bunch of other things, but why? Why do people think that God would send a person to Hell merely for loving another one of his creations? I'm genuinely curious about this, not looking for a debate necessarily. What do you think?
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The LDS came to my door and I asked them this question. They replied, "Hate the sin, not the sinner."
 
Harrytic

Harrytic

Member
Thirza Fallen said:
It perplexes me. Homosexuals go to Hell if they don't have a relationship with Jesus, not for being homosexuals.
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Kind of ironic isn’t it? You can’t be in a sexual relationship with another man, but yet you can put another man up on a pedestal and worship him, obeying his every whim. Ha ha ha.

I have always struggled with the sin vs belief thing. God can be a very unreasonable and petty God who will treat us cruelly if we break his rules, but when he brought Jesus into the picture, suddenly it became less about sinning and ALL about Jesus and what you do with him. Believe in Jesus? Accept him as your saviour? Then you go to Heaven. Reject Jesus. You go to Hell. Suddenly sin has nothing to do with where you end up.

You can be the evilist scumbag on the face of the planet, but yet if you accept Christ as your saviour, the sin doesn’t matter. You could be the nicest guy on the face of the planet, who wouldn’t hurt a fly, but if you reject Christ you suffer for all eternity at God’s hands. It’s makes me shudder to think that a guy like Adolf Hitler could be rubbing shoulders with God right now, because for all we know he might have begged God for forgiveness before he died. And who knows what decisions Osama Bin Laden made before his death. Could Jesus have visited him? And what about Sadam Hussein in his cell before he was executed? Many men such as these, we could find ourselves hanging out with in Heaven. And we won't hate them either, beause there will be no hate in Heaven. We will love them as brothers!
 
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tumbleweed41

tumbleweed41

Resident Liberal Hippie
Thirza Fallen said:
It perplexes me. Homosexuals go to Hell if they don't have a relationship with Jesus, not for being homosexuals.
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The very concept of being sent to "hell" for failing to have a "relationship with Jesus" seems to me more disturbing than any other Christian doctrine.
 
Heathen Hammer

Heathen Hammer

Nope, you're still wrong
For many, their concept of God is one where the supreme being agrees with everything they themselves think, and will enforce those preferences with zeal and, occasionally, eternal punishment.

For them God is the stronger, more effective bully who will do in eternity what they themselves cannot do in life, to other people.
 
Falvlun

Falvlun

Earthbending Lemur
Premium Member
Comet said:
The LDS came to my door and I asked them this question. They replied, "Hate the sin, not the sinner."
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Precisely. That is what nearly all Christians say to me: "Oh no, we don't hate gay people. We just hate the sin."

But this seems to me just a way to get around the fact that they really are hatin' on a pretty important aspect of that person. It's not some evil action: it's a sexual orientation. Just like they probably had no choice in being attracted to the opposite sex, these people had no choice in who they were attracted to.

And it's also telling, to me, that for some reason this sin seems to be so much worse, in the Christian mind, then other sins. I mean, I don't see them, en masse, making people who don't tithe 10% or who swear or who get divorced feel as uncomfortable with who they are as they do to gay people. They don't try to get laws passed that limit the freedom of people to look covetously at their neighbor's house. They don't put up billboards denouncing the sin of taking the Lord's name in vain.

If it's the sin-- the innate attraction and desire to have a relationship with someone of the same sex-- that you dislike, then fine. Disapprove all you want. But treat it the same way that you treat basically the myriad of sins that everyone else is committing too: ignore it.
 
Sand Dancer

Sand Dancer

Currently catless
Harrytic said:
You can be the evilist scumbag on the face of the planet, but yet if you accept Christ as your saviour, the sin doesn’t matter. You could be the nicest guy on the face of the planet, who wouldn’t hurt a fly, but if you reject Christ you suffer for all eternity at God’s hands.
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Every other religion you have to work for your salvation. With Christianity you don't. But with the holy spirit, you are a new creation, able to do good works in Jesus' name. I love that. And to the human mind, God isn't fair, but how often do we totally understand Him? We'll know everything when we are face to face with Him.
 
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