God, the creator of the universe.

[Truthseeker]

God, the creator of the universe/universes is abrahamic and at the same time God is not abrahamic.
God, the creator of the universe/universes is dharmic and at the same time God is not dharmic.
God, the creator of the universe/universes is pagan and at the same time God is not pagan

God has no religion. God is greater than we think.

Any thoughts? Do you agree or disagree?

God revealed Abrahamic religions. God revealed Dharmic religions. God did not reveal pagan religions, if you are talking about religions like the Egyptian one, The Greek one, the Viking one. I cannot say, though, that in the distant past God did not reveal something that was dimly remembered, and transformed into those religions. There is truth in every religion even if it is inspiration and not Revelation. Revelation is distinguished from inspiration in that Revelation is revealed through Messengers of God, who are infallible because God created them to be so. Inspiration has truth in it, but not unalloyed.

 

[setarcos]

God, the creator of the universe/universes is abrahamic and at the same time God is not abrahamic.
God, the creator of the universe/universes is dharmic and at the same time God is not dharmic.
God, the creator of the universe/universes is pagan and at the same time God is not pagan

God has no religion. God is greater than we think.

Any thoughts? Do you agree or disagree?

By definition religion is an activity performed by humankind in its application to God. God does not perform religious activities. It does not worship, it is worshipped. However...the God of Abraham is particular in the kind of religion applied to itself. It should also be noted that it is more rationally/philosophically, and perhaps scientifically consistent to consider God to be a singular being. Unless of course we define the concept of a God pretty loosely.

 

[Ashoka]

I find that's a common view among those who feel hurt/disillusioned by, especially, their experience of Christianity and moved to different religious paradigms. I felt the same, many times.

You may be right. I just don't see, at least God in the Old Testament, in a good light. Jesus is cool, though. Some Hindus believe that during the lost years between 13-31, he was in India studying Buddhism and Hinduism.

 

[Kfox]

Prove it

What type of proof are you looking for?

 

[Kfox]

Yes you can. (paradox 101).

God certainly can be. Do you believe God is outside creation? Do you believe God is Infinite? How can creation be outside God then, if God is Infinite? (First lesson in paradoxes).

What do you mean by being outside creation?

 

[RestlessSoul]

What type of proof are you looking for?

Depends what you've got, really. I believe that the material world is predicated on paradox, and without substance. A complex web of illusion, refracted through prisms of abstraction. Nothing is fixed, nothing is certain, nothing is real. In this context, your assertion that a thing cannot be both itself and the opposite of itself, is baseless.

 

[RestlessSoul]

By definition religion is an activity performed by humankind in its application to God. God does not perform religious activities. It does not worship, it is worshipped. However...the God of Abraham is particular in the kind of religion applied to itself. It should also be noted that it is more rationally/philosophically, and perhaps scientifically consistent to consider God to be a singular being. Unless of course we define the concept of a God pretty loosely.

A singularity which has chosen to realise itself in multiples, perhaps?

 

[RestlessSoul]

You may be right. I just don't see, at least God in the Old Testament, in a good light. Jesus is cool, though. Some Hindus believe that during the lost years between 13-31, he was in India studying Buddhism and Hinduism.

Yeah, I've heard that. I've also heard Christ described as a fully realised Yogi.

What this says to me, is that there are universal concepts, shared spiritual visions if you like, underlying all religions. The connection with the divine light of creation, is something followers of all religions and none, have sought since the dawn of civilisation.

 

[setarcos]

A singularity which has chosen to realise itself in multiples, perhaps?

It may be argued that a GOD cannot make a GOD. Else it would result in a contradiction which by definition would be impossible. GOD cannot contradict itself. It cannot create contradiction. Many people I've noticed, believe that GOD can do anything. This is not true. GOD cannot do the impossible and the impossible cannot be made possible for GOD to do merely through linguistic manipulation.

 

[RestlessSoul]

It may be argued that a GOD cannot make a GOD. Else it would result in a contradiction which by definition would be impossible. GOD cannot contradict itself. It cannot create contradiction. Many people I've noticed, believe that GOD can do anything. This is not true. GOD cannot do the impossible and the impossible cannot be made possible for GOD to do merely through linguistic manipulation.

A God cannot create itself, presumably in the same way a Universe cannot will itself into being. And yet…

 

[setarcos]

A God cannot create itself, presumably in the same way a Universe cannot will itself into being. And yet…

I think I get the gest of what your trying to say....however God not being able to create itself does not correlate to why a universe cannot will itself into being. Sticking with how we've defined items in our reality, a universe has no will. It has no desires, no conscious reflection of itself. It has no self identity. God however does. What's more alternate universes can easily be describe with differing characteristics, however the Abrahamic GOD is singular and its religion monotheistic. By definition there cannot be two distinctly identified GODS. Not only can't this God create itself - it would have to exist prior to its own creation of itself which is a contradiction - but it cannot create an equal to itself that is not itself either. This too would contradict the absolute uniqueness and singularity of what GOD means and is. The word has no equality. There is nothing to compare it to. We can only describe its uniquely abstract qualities in a very imperfect manner. It is at once its own set and the only element within that set.

 

[RestlessSoul]

I think I get the gest of what your trying to say....however God not being able to create itself does not correlate to why a universe cannot will itself into being. Sticking with how we've defined items in our reality, a universe has no will. It has no desires, no conscious reflection of itself. It has no self identity. God however does. What's more alternate universes can easily be describe with differing characteristics, however the Abrahamic GOD is singular and its religion monotheistic. By definition there cannot be two distinctly identified GODS. Not only can't this God create itself - it would have to exist prior to its own creation of itself which is a contradiction - but it cannot create an equal to itself that is not itself either. This too would contradict the absolute uniqueness and singularity of what GOD means and is. The word has no equality. There is nothing to compare it to. We can only describe its uniquely abstract qualities in a very imperfect manner. It is at once its own set and the only element within that set.

Depends whether or not you envisage God as being separate from or outside His creation. I see it all as God, the universe, the galaxies, our corner of it that sustains life, the miracle of human consciousness; it’s all a manifestation of the will and love of God. I think that’s what Jesus meant when he said “I am in the Father and the Father is in me”, and also when he said to his disciples, “The Kingdom of God is within you”. The perception that we are somehow separate, disconnected beings, this is an illusion we labour under, a trick of the ego. Everything is one and everything is God, that’s really what I meant by a singularity which expresses Himself in multiplicity. This is an idea from Eastern philosophy, but one which is entirely compatible with Christianity imo.

 

[setarcos]

God revealed Abrahamic religions. God revealed Dharmic religions.

I believe your fundamentally wrong here. The God of Abraham stands in opposition to the Dharmic religions. Even going so far as to call these other Gods false and consequently their religion vain. Who ever started the myth about all religions having truth in their own way and all worshipers are right in their own way and we should all just worship the way we feel most comfortable was wrong. Religions by their very nature...that is each having their own creation myths, hero's, villain's, and truths etc. stand naturally in opposition to each other. That's just the nature of the beast. No matter how we'd all like to have a fairy tale story in which everyone is right, no one is wrong, and all truth is absolute that's simply not rationally coherent with reality.

There is truth in every religion even if it is inspiration and not Revelation. Revelation is distinguished from inspiration in that Revelation is revealed through Messengers of God, who are infallible because God created them to be so. Inspiration has truth in it, but not unalloyed.

Yes there is truth in all religions. In so much as you believe that one religions truth does not contradict your religions. However two religions whose truths stand in opposition to one another is fundamentally irrational, illogical, and incompatible with reality. Religion cannot be relative AND whole.
If two religions say murder is bad...that may make them compatible to truth as far as murder goes. However if they stand in opposition as to what created what and who deserves worship in what way etc. then its hardly logical to say both religions are equally relevant to reality.

 

[setarcos]

Depends whether or not you envisage God as being separate from or outside His creation.

The Christian God has been revealed unequivocally to be something other than its creation.
Creation is sustained within God but God "extends" beyond creation. In essence God was separate from his creation...before he created of course and by being more than what was created. However creation itself cannot exist apart from its creator in that the creator sustains its existence within itself.

it’s all a manifestation of the will and love of God.

I agree in so much as it applies to what was created. However there could be books written simply on defining manifestation, will, and Gods love as regards God and his creation.

The perception that we are somehow separate, disconnected beings, this is an illusion we labour under, a trick of the ego. Everything is one and everything is God,

That is pantheistic and pretty darn in opposition to how the Christian God has been depicted. If you still have some modicum of belief in Christianity.
Tis true, we are not separate from God. By definition that would be impossible since God is "everywhere". Yet God being everywhere does not equate to us being everywhere, connected or not. We are finite beings. God is not. There are definitional differences. We may be all connected through God but we are not all connected to one another. Spiritually or otherwise except indirectly through coherence to Gods will. That is what those phrases you quoted meant.
By definition what is created cannot BE the creator. It cannot comprise the creator. It can only EXIST WITHIN the creator. The singularity may be God. However if this singularity consisted of its own creation in order to exist then there would be no creative act. There would be no creation. How could there? We'd have to redefine what we mean by God and that definition would necessarily stand in opposition to what the Christian God is I think.

 

[danieldemol]

God is the creator of the material realm. God is not the material realm. God is spirit. God is spiritual. God is not material

You are asserting this to be true without declaring what evidence points to this being true.

In my opinion.

 

[MyM]

God, the creator of the universe/universes is abrahamic and at the same time God is not abrahamic.
God, the creator of the universe/universes is dharmic and at the same time God is not dharmic.
God, the creator of the universe/universes is pagan and at the same time God is not pagan

God has no religion. God is greater than we think.

Any thoughts? Do you agree or disagree?

Mankind is in no way entitled to give a critique on how God is unless God has given the information about himself.
Man can believe or not...is up to him to believe in God.
God supersedes all mankind in their limited thinking.
The God of all, needs no one.

 

[Truthseeker]

Depends whether or not you envisage God as being separate from or outside His creation. I see it all as God, the universe, the galaxies, our corner of it that sustains life, the miracle of human consciousness; it’s all a manifestation of the will and love of God. I think that’s what Jesus meant when he said “I am in the Father and the Father is in me”, and also when he said to his disciples, “The Kingdom of God is within you”. The perception that we are somehow separate, disconnected beings, this is an illusion we labour under, a trick of the ego. Everything is one and everything is God, that’s really what I meant by a singularity which expresses Himself in multiplicity. This is an idea from Eastern philosophy, but one which is entirely compatible with Christianity imo.

We should not be separate from out fellow beings but we are. I do agree that the ego causes this. God is reflected in the universe, we can be reflections of the attributes of God He placed there.

 

[Truthseeker]

I believe your fundamentally wrong here. The God of Abraham stands in opposition to the Dharmic religions. Even going so far as to call these other Gods false and consequently their religion vain. Who ever started the myth about all religions having truth in their own way and all worshipers are right in their own way and we should all just worship the way we feel most comfortable was wrong. Religions by their very nature...that is each having their own creation myths, hero's, villain's, and truths etc. stand naturally in opposition to each other. That's just the nature of the beast. No matter how we'd all like to have a fairy tale story in which everyone is right, no one is wrong, and all truth is absolute that's simply not rationally coherent with reality.

Yes, the followers of Abrahamic religions do assert that, but God doesn't.

I do not believe we should just follow whatever religion we feel comfortable with. I agree. We should seek the truth. I also don't think everyone is right, who would believe that?

Yes there is truth in all religions. In so much as you believe that one religions truth does not contradict your religions. However two religions whose truths stand in opposition to one another is fundamentally irrational, illogical, and incompatible with reality. Religion cannot be relative AND whole.
If two religions say murder is bad...that may make them compatible to truth as far as murder goes. However if they stand in opposition as to what created what and who deserves worship in what way etc. then its hardly logical to say both religions are equally relevant to reality.

Yes, religions do stand in opposition with each other, but that is man made. I believe the Revelators of these religions are compatible with each other.

 

[Truthseeker]

In essence God was separate from his creation...before he created of course and by being more than what was created. However creation itself cannot exist apart from its creator in that the creator sustains its existence within itself.

Yes, God does sustain the universe at all times in my belief. He deposited His attributes within His creation, but He is not the creation.

Tis true, we are not separate from God. By definition that would be impossible since God is "everywhere". Yet God being everywhere does not equate to us being everywhere, connected or not. We are finite beings. God is not. There are definitional differences. We may be all connected through God but we are not all connected to one another. Spiritually or otherwise except indirectly through coherence to Gods will.

All true.

 

[setarcos]

Yes, the followers of Abrahamic religions do assert that, but God doesn't.

If we are sticking with the Abrahamic religion then what has been attributed to God's will was stated in their scripture and commandments.
"I am a jealous God...you shall have no other Gods before me!"
The majority of the old testament IS a testimony to this. Gods people (The Israelites) are admonished to get rid of all false idols and impurities coming from pagan beliefs and practices. This included Greek, Roman, Egyptian, and eastern religions.

I do not believe we should just follow whatever religion we feel comfortable with. I agree. We should seek the truth. I also don't think everyone is right, who would believe that?

A foolish person would. But you speak wise words here.

Yes, religions do stand in opposition with each other, but that is man made.

You'll have to clarify? Does the religion make the man or man the religion? One would assume that truth in religion would have to be revelation from God. Ergo a religion that stands in opposition to another is either a true religion of God or a false religion as practiced by man.
If your saying that humans err in seeing opposition in their religion but in truth there is none then those humans are not practicing their religion truthfully anyway, which would make the religion they practice false making God in their image and not vice versa.

I believe the Revelators of these religions are compatible with each other.

Not if what the revelators promote is in opposition with each other.
Truth which effects the whole cannot be relative.
If Jesus Christ said...I am the truth and the light etc. and NO ONE comes to the father but by me, and some other revelator offers a path to God's truth which is not solely through this conduit then those revelators are in conflict. Both cannot be correct. Either none are correct or only one is correct. Otherwise you have an impossible contradiction.
Any revelator can speak truth at times. This doesn't mean the revelator practices a true religion. True as in pleasing and acceptable to God.
Even the Christian Lucifer spoke truth in scripture. But it offered a religion of death not of life.
In the wonderful words of the immortal Highlander...."There can be only one."
Have a gorgeous day.