God: Trinity or Unity?

[Soapy]

here you have made 2 mistakes . Jesus is not God. at best all he can be is a god . note small case g
LORD in the bible ,note upper case letters , uses upper case letters to indicate that the name Jehovah was removed .
its very well known i am surprised you missed it

Jesus will become ‘God’ but ‘OVER CREATION’ only.

The way to view this is to DEFINE what is meant by ‘GOD’, then you will see the truth.

‘God’ SIMPLY MEANS ‘Ruler’, ‘head honcho’ (excuse me...!), ‘The best, the absolute, the most magnificent, the most glorious.....’ tops’. The ultimate.

The problem is that we have gotten so used to NOT USING our God’s name that we have changed his TITLE into a NAME.

‘GOD’ is a TITLE of the deity (spirit Being that is worshipped) and since as Jews and Christians we believe there is only one such deity we just say ‘[our] God’.

But if you use the title, ‘God’, correctly, in context, you will see that it can apply to ANYONE who is in a position of magnificence, glorifulness, majesty, ... who is the head of a contextual position.

Yahweh GOD, is the Spirit ‘God of Spirit Heaven’ who created a physical limited world and created physical limited human Beings to rule over it - but he appointed ONE MAN to be its ULTIMATE RULER: its GOD.

See that the ultimate ruler (to be) from among mankind m, Jesus Christ) will appoint a governorship from among the elite, the elect, to oversee the created world, and that in place of angels whom Yahweh God of heaven appointed to rule in ‘stations of authority’ over heaven and earth in this present time - hence these angels are also called ‘Gods’ by context (remember the MEANING of the word, don’t think I’m advocating ‘other ruling deities - we do not worship angels).

And while we worship Yahweh God of heaven, no where in Scriptures does it say we are to or will be worshipping Jesus Christ... it says ONLY that we will GLORIFY, PRAISE, and HONOR him.

Worship YAHWEH, ONLY.

 

[101G]

here you have made 2 mistakes . Jesus is not God. at best all he can be is a god . note small case g
LORD in the bible ,note upper case letters , uses upper case letters to indicate that the name Jehovah was removed .
its very well known i am surprised you missed it

first thanks for the reply, second, U say "Jesus is not God", well lets see, John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." this is the Lord JESUS. now this,
the person in Isaiah 44:24 said this, "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"

the Person who "MADE ALL THINGS" was ALONE, and BY HIMSELF, so no one went through him nor he by anyone else, he was "ALONE", and "BY HIMSELF".

now if this is not the SAME ONE PERSON, THEN YOU HAVE TWO CREATORS OF ALL THINGS.

either you must reconcile this, or come up with something else..... your choice.

PICJAG,
101G.

 

[cataway]

first thanks for the reply, second, U say "Jesus is not God", well lets see, John 1:3 "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." this is the Lord JESUS. now this,
the person in Isaiah 44:24 said this, "Thus saith the LORD, thy redeemer, and he that formed thee from the womb, I am the LORD that maketh all things; that stretcheth forth the heavens alone; that spreadeth abroad the earth by myself;"

the Person who "MADE ALL THINGS" was ALONE, and BY HIMSELF, so no one went through him nor he by anyone else, he was "ALONE", and "BY HIMSELF".

now if this is not the SAME ONE PERSON, THEN YOU HAVE TWO CREATORS OF ALL THINGS.

either you must reconcile this, or come up with something else..... your choice.

PICJAG,
101G.

Col 1 :15
"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through him and for him. 17 Also, he is before all other things, and by means of him all other things were made to exist"

Proverbs 8
22 Jehovah produced me as the beginning of his way,
The earliest of his achievements of long ago.
23 From ancient times I was installed,
From the start, from times earlier than the earth.
24 When there were no deep waters, I was brought forth,
When there were no springs overflowing with water.
25 Before the mountains were set in place,
Before the hills, I was brought forth,
26 When he had not yet made the earth and its fields
Or the first clods of earth’s soil.
27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there;
When he marked out the horizon on the surface of the waters,
28 When he established the clouds above,
When he founded the fountains of the deep,
29 When he set a decree for the sea
That its waters should not pass beyond his order,
When he established the foundations of the earth,
30 Then I was beside him as a master worker.
I was the one he was especially fond of day by day;
I rejoiced before him all the time;

 

[101G]

Col 1 :15
"He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All other things have been created through him and for him. 17 Also, he is before all other things, and by means of him all other things were made to exist"

GINOLJC, to all
first thanks for the reply, second, "the image of the invisible God" ... is MAN... scripture, Genesis 1:26a "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness". and this MAN, (GOD'S IMAGE is his "ANOTHER", scripture, Zechariah 13:7 "Awake, O sword, against my shepherd, and against the man that is my fellow, saith the LORD of hosts: smite the shepherd, and the sheep shall be scattered: and I will turn mine hand upon the little ones."

here this man is God's "ANOTHE" of God himself shared in flesh. for the term "Fellow" is the Hebrew word, H5997 עָמִית `amiyth (aw-meeth') n-m.
1. companionship.
2. (hence, concretely) a comrade or kindred man.
[from a primitive root meaning to associate]
KJV: another, fellow, neighbour.

as we can see from the definition above, A. this man/Jesus the Lord is God's "another" of himeself in Flesh. and B. definition #2. states, that this man is a KINDRED Man. just as Revelation 22:16 states of the "OFFSPRING", the Lord Jesus, Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."
here "Offspring", is the Greek word, G1085 γένος genos (ǰe'-nos) n.
kin.
{abstract or concrete, literal or figurative, individual or collective}
[from G1096]
KJV: born, country(-man), diversity, generation, kind(-red), nation, offspring, stock
Root(s): G1096

there he is "KIN" as in Zechariah 13:7, "ANOTHER" of God himself in Flesh. meaning he the Lord Jesus is the EQUAL Share of HIMSELF in Flesh, per Phil 2:6. and this Diversity/Another/Offspring/KINSMAN .... is the REDEEMER. supportive scripture, Isaiah 41:14 "Fear not, thou worm Jacob, and ye men of Israel; I will help thee, saith the LORD, and thy redeemer, the Holy One of Israel."
Isaiah 44:6 "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God."

and the Lord Jesus is the REDEEMER, Galatians 4:4 "But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law,"
Galatians 4:5 "To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons."

as said, "the son is the IMAGE of the invisible God,, who is God HIMSELF, for the Son is the God, his OWN ARM... scripture, Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me."

WHO'S ARM? God's own ARM, meaning God himself, as you stated, Proverbs 8:22 "The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old." possession is the state of having, owning, or controlling something. and WHO or what did God controled? answer HIS "OWN" ARM. again, Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me."

BINGO, there it is. Jesus the son is God himself "SHARED EQUALLY" in Flesh and blood ... his OWN IMAGE that was to Come.


PICJAG,
101G.

 

[cataway]

as we can see from the definition above, A. this man/Jesus the Lord is God's "another" of himeself in Flesh.




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"another" of himeself in Flesh'' ?? you are likely taking that to literally

 

[101G]

"another" of himeself in Flesh'' ?? you are likely taking that to literally

(smile), serious as a heart attack. understand, Isaiah 63:5 "And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my fury, it upheld me."

now I ask you cataway, who, not what, but "WHO" is God's "OWN" ARM? your answer please.

PICJAG,
101G.

 

[cataway]

John 8 :16 And yet even if I do judge, my judgment is truthful, because I am not alone, but the Father who sent me is with me. 17 Also, in your own Law it is written: ‘The witness of two men is true.’ 18 I am one who bears witness about myself, and the Father who sent me bears witness about me.”

two different persons other wise there would only be one witness

 

[101G]

John 8 :16 And yet even if I do judge, my judgment is truthful, because I am not alone, but the Father who sent me is with me. 17 Also, in your own Law it is written: ‘The witness of two men is true.’ 18 I am one who bears witness about myself, and the Father who sent me bears witness about me.”

two different persons other wise there would only be one witness

ERROR, the same one PERSON, only "Diversified" listen, I asked you who God's Own ARM is... here it is, Isaiah 53:1 "Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?"
Isaiah 53:2 "For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him."
Isaiah 53:3 "He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not."
Isaiah 53:4 "Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted."
Isaiah 53:5 "But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed."
Isaiah 53:6 "All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all."

so cataway tell us, who is this "ARM" of the LORD? read chapter 53 again if need be, but you should know. is this the Lord JESUS in chapter 53 above... YES or NO?

PICJAG,
101G.

 

[cataway]

ERROR, the same one PERSON, only "Diversified" listen, I asked you who God's Own ARM is... here it is, Isaiah 53:1 "Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?"
Isaiah 53:2 "For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him."
Isaiah 53:3 "He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not."
Isaiah 53:4 "Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted."
Isaiah 53:5 "But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed."
Isaiah 53:6 "All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all."

so cataway tell us, who is this "ARM" of the LORD? read chapter 53 again if need be, but you should know. is this the Lord JESUS in chapter 53 above... YES or NO?

PICJAG,
101G.

just where do you think you are going with this arm business ?

 

[Soapy]

just where do you think you are going with this arm business ?

Remember that God said:

• “Besides me, there is no [other] God”

And you are right, if Jesus is ‘God’ (even in flesh - not!!) then there are TWO GODS.

But then all this two-god thing just puts more weight on the fallacy of the farcical trinity ideology.

‘Stephan, looking up into heaven, saw God SEATED on his throne and Jesus STANDING next to him...’

Emphasise the difference between the “seated” position and the “standing next to” position.

Also, who is the Servant spoken of in Isaiah 42:1:

• “Behold my servant whom I approve. I will put my spirit on him ....”

When does scripture show this fulfilment - notice, emphasise the fact that the SERVANT was EMPOWERED because God (Yahweh) put His Holy Spirit on him, the servant. This meant that the empowerment allowed him to do the works of God... it doesn’t make him God... just allows him to perform in Yahweh’s name:

• ‘I am doing the works of my Father who sent me’ (paraphrased)

This is how Jesus, the PERFECT servant of God, is called, “Son of God”.

“Son” means ‘he who does the works of the Father’ - biblically, it is not meant as ‘procreated’ but ‘in spirit’ just as ONESIMUS became a ‘Son’ to Apostle Paul, because Onesimus so perfectly carried all that Paul tasked him with doing.

Yeah, Paul, ADOPTED, Onesimus as his ‘Son’... just as Yahweh spoke of Jesus:

• “This day I have become to you, a Father, and you have become to me, a Son” (paraphrased)

And since Jesus is the only one so adopted by God, he is, ‘The only Son of God’.

Trinity, et al, posters have gotten things backwards. They made Jesus a Son before he had even PROVED HIMSELF worthy to God. He did so by refusing temptation in the wilderness.

Adam, perfect at his creation, first ‘Son of God’ (Luke 3:38), FAILED his temptation, and so a second, nay, LAST PERFECT MAN, had to be put in place: Jesus [christ].

 

[101G]

just where do you think you are going with this arm business ?

GINOLJC, to all.
do you understand what "Diversity" means biblically? listen, Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

see that term "Offspring" listen to what it means,
G1085 γένος genos (ǰe'-nos) n.
kin.
{abstract or concrete, literal or figurative, individual or collective}
[from G1096]
KJV: born, country(-man), diversity, generation, kind(-red), nation, offspring, stock
Root(s): G1096

there's that "ARM" of God......... diversity the "offspring", God's own ARM, Isaiah 63:5.

PICJAG,
101G.

 

[Soapy]

GINOLJC, to all.
do you understand what "Diversity" means biblically? listen, Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

see that term "Offspring" listen to what it means,
G1085 γένος genos (ǰe'-nos) n.
kin.
{abstract or concrete, literal or figurative, individual or collective}
[from G1096]
KJV: born, country(-man), diversity, generation, kind(-red), nation, offspring, stock
Root(s): G1096

there's that "ARM" of God......... diversity the "offspring", God's own ARM, Isaiah 63:5.

PICJAG,
101G.

G: God
I: Is
N: Not
O: Our
L: Lord
J: Jesus
C: Christ

True....

• “God GAVE Jesus... the testimony [about himself]...” Rev 1:1

If Jesus is God then how come GOD gave Jesus something that Jesus did not have?

 

[cataway]

GINOLJC, to all.
do you understand what "Diversity" means biblically? listen, Revelation 22:16 "I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

see that term "Offspring" listen to what it means,
G1085 γένος genos (ǰe'-nos) n.
kin.
{abstract or concrete, literal or figurative, individual or collective}
[from G1096]
KJV: born, country(-man), diversity, generation, kind(-red), nation, offspring, stock
Root(s): G1096

there's that "ARM" of God......... diversity the "offspring", God's own ARM, Isaiah 63:5.

PICJAG,
101G.

i understand what is known as a right hand man . what are you trying to say ?

 

[101G]

G: God
I: Is
N: Not
O: Our
L: Lord
J: Jesus
C: Christ

True....

• “God GAVE Jesus... the testimony [about himself]...” Rev 1:1

If Jesus is God then how come GOD gave Jesus something that Jesus did not have?

thanks for the reply, A. Jesus is God. B. God did not Give anything to Jesus the Ordinal Last.
this is proved out in Chapter 5. Revelation 5:1 "And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals." Revelation 5:2 "And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof?" Revelation 5:3 "And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon." Revelation 5:4 "And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon." Revelation 5:5 "And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof." Revelation 5:6 "And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth."

I asked you before, maybe you missed it. he who sits on the THRONE, (not literally), is he WHO stand before it. the same Person, the ECHAD of his-ownself.

see Soapy, his sitting and standing is all symbolic, (NOT LITERALLY), do you understand that? this is symbolism in showing God is carrying out his OWN "WILL".

again, "he who sits is he who stands". so no one gave oneone else anything, this is symbolism.

PICJAG,
101G.

 

[101G]

i understand what is known as a right hand man . what are you trying to say ?

thanks for the reply, Jesus the Lord is no one's "right hand man". no, he's the POWER of God to do his, GOD'S "OWN" will.

this is why he is BOTH, the First and the Last. the Beginning, and the end, and the alpha and the Omega, and the Root and the Offspring.

understand, "RIGHT Hand, or ARM of GOD" is an anthropomorphism for "POWER".

PICJAG,
101G.

 

[cataway]

thanks for the reply, Jesus the Lord is no one's "right hand man". no, he's the POWER of God to do his, GOD'S "OWN" will.

this is why he is BOTH, the First and the Last. the Beginning, and the end, and the alpha and the Omega, and the Root and the Offspring.

understand, "RIGHT Hand, or ARM of GOD" is an anthropomorphism for "POWER".

PICJAG,
101G.

alpha and the Omega
While many commentators apply this title both to God and to Christ, a more careful examination of its use restricts its application to Jehovah God. The first verse of Revelation shows that the revelation was given originally by God and through Jesus Christ, hence the one speaking (through an angelic representative) at times is God himself, and at other times it is Christ Jesus. (Re 22:8) Thus Revelation 1:8 (RS) says: “‘I am the Alpha and the Omega,’ says the Lord God [“Jehovah God,” NW], who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” Although the preceding verse speaks of Christ Jesus, it is clear that in verse 8 the application of the title is to “the Almighty” God. In this regard Barnes’ Notes on the New Testament (1974) observes: “It cannot be absolutely certain that the writer meant to refer to the Lord Jesus specifically here . . . There is no real incongruity in supposing, also, that the writer here meant to refer to God as such.”
The title occurs again at Revelation 21:6, and the following verse identifies the speaker by saying: “Anyone conquering will inherit these things, and I shall be his God and he will be my son.” Inasmuch as Jesus referred to those who are joint heirs with him in his Kingdom as “brothers,” not “sons,” the speaker must be Jesus’ heavenly Father, Jehovah God.—Mt 25:40; compare Heb 2:10-12.

 

[Soapy]

alpha and the Omega
While many commentators apply this title both to God and to Christ, a more careful examination of its use restricts its application to Jehovah God. The first verse of Revelation shows that the revelation was given originally by God and through Jesus Christ, hence the one speaking (through an angelic representative) at times is God himself, and at other times it is Christ Jesus. (Re 22:8) Thus Revelation 1:8 (RS) says: “‘I am the Alpha and the Omega,’ says the Lord God [“Jehovah God,” NW], who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” Although the preceding verse speaks of Christ Jesus, it is clear that in verse 8 the application of the title is to “the Almighty” God. In this regard Barnes’ Notes on the New Testament (1974) observes: “It cannot be absolutely certain that the writer meant to refer to the Lord Jesus specifically here . . . There is no real incongruity in supposing, also, that the writer here meant to refer to God as such.”
The title occurs again at Revelation 21:6, and the following verse identifies the speaker by saying: “Anyone conquering will inherit these things, and I shall be his God and he will be my son.” Inasmuch as Jesus referred to those who are joint heirs with him in his Kingdom as “brothers,” not “sons,” the speaker must be Jesus’ heavenly Father, Jehovah God.—Mt 25:40; compare Heb 2:10-12.

Hi Cataway, this is perfectly correct. Trinitarian TEACHERS absolutely know this is correct but since it debunks their ideology they cannot teach it to their flock.

Anyone who genuinely reads Revelation with a credible mind cannot fail to see the truth. At the same time the truth you quoted rids the conundrum of how it is Jesus comes to be Alpha and Omega, etc, in deference to the rest of scriptures which attributes the tilted to Yahweh.

But, of course, Satan is not sleeping and he will demand his ‘children’ try to scupper the truth whenever and wherever they get the chance!

 

[101G]

alpha and the Omega
While many commentators apply this title both to God and to Christ, a more careful examination of its use restricts its application to Jehovah God. The first verse of Revelation shows that the revelation was given originally by God and through Jesus Christ, hence the one speaking (through an angelic representative) at times is God himself, and at other times it is Christ Jesus. (Re 22:8) Thus Revelation 1:8 (RS) says: “‘I am the Alpha and the Omega,’ says the Lord God [“Jehovah God,” NW], who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.” Although the preceding verse speaks of Christ Jesus, it is clear that in verse 8 the application of the title is to “the Almighty” God. In this regard Barnes’ Notes on the New Testament (1974) observes: “It cannot be absolutely certain that the writer meant to refer to the Lord Jesus specifically here . . . There is no real incongruity in supposing, also, that the writer here meant to refer to God as such.”
The title occurs again at Revelation 21:6, and the following verse identifies the speaker by saying: “Anyone conquering will inherit these things, and I shall be his God and he will be my son.” Inasmuch as Jesus referred to those who are joint heirs with him in his Kingdom as “brothers,” not “sons,” the speaker must be Jesus’ heavenly Father, Jehovah God.—Mt 25:40; compare Heb 2:10-12.

GINOLJC, to all.
thanks for the reply, second, that's nonesense, Jesus the Lord is God, and God alone, the Alpha and the Omega, and the |First and the Last.. and Revelation 1:1 don't have anyone giving someone else anything .... (THAT'S SYMBOLIC).

LET'S PROVE THIS OUT....OK

Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:"

NOW THE QUESTION TO UNRAVEL THIS MYSTERY AS TO WHO GAVE WHAT TO WHOME, is in this one simple Question, "Who sent his angel to John".

now before you answer, hear what the angel that was sent, said. Revelation 22:6 "And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done."

notice the angel said, "The Lord God ........ OF THE HOLY PROPHETS". many scholars say this is God, (in verse 1), whom you calls Jehovah God. and the JW in their NWT say the same thing also, and have it in print that Jehovah sent his angel to John. but if your Jehovah God is the one who didn't send the angel then your Jehovah God was never in verse 1.

so cataway, do you agree with the scholars that your Jehovah God sent the angel?, (IF SO THAT PROVES YOU CORRECT, and ME IN ERROR). and it would vendicat your assessment, as to what you said about many commentators, "many commentators apply this title both to God and to Christ". well is this correct, I say NO,

so your answer please..... "Who sent his angel to John?". WILL BE LOOKING FOR YOUR ANSWER.

PICJAG,
101G.

 

[cataway]

GINOLJC, to all.
thanks for the reply, second, that's nonesense, Jesus the Lord is God, and God alone, the Alpha and the Omega, and the |First and the Last.. and Revelation 1:1 don't have anyone giving someone else anything .... (THAT'S SYMBOLIC).

LET'S PROVE THIS OUT....OK

Revelation 1:1 "The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:"

NOW THE QUESTION TO UNRAVEL THIS MYSTERY AS TO WHO GAVE WHAT TO WHOME, is in this one simple Question, "Who sent his angel to John".

now before you answer, hear what the angel that was sent, said. Revelation 22:6 "And he said unto me, These sayings are faithful and true: and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent his angel to shew unto his servants the things which must shortly be done."

notice the angel said, "The Lord God ........ OF THE HOLY PROPHETS". many scholars say this is God, (in verse 1), whom you calls Jehovah God. and the JW in their NWT say the same thing also, and have it in print that Jehovah sent his angel to John. but if your Jehovah God is the one who didn't send the angel then your Jehovah God was never in verse 1.

so cataway, do you agree with the scholars that your Jehovah God sent the angel?, (IF SO THAT PROVES YOU CORRECT, and ME IN ERROR). and it would vendicat your assessment, as to what you said about many commentators, "many commentators apply this title both to God and to Christ". well is this correct, I say NO,

so your answer please..... "Who sent his angel to John?". WILL BE LOOKING FOR YOUR ANSWER.

PICJAG,
101G.

''which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass''

in effect making Jesus a agent of God.do you know the power a agent has?

 

[Soapy]

''which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass''

in effect making Jesus a agent of God.do you know the power a agent has?

’The LORD God of the holy prophets’ is clearly Yahweh.

• (Rev 1:1) Yahweh gives a TESTIMONY to Jesus.
• Jesus sends it to John
• John passes it on to the other servants

• (Rev 22:6) Yahweh passes THE SAYINGS onto the servants

Rev 1:1 says, “... Servant” (singular person)

Rev 22:6 say, “... Servants” (plural)

These are different sendings.