God wants you to murder your kids?

[junior]

it's no secret that money and religion are the oldest evils in the world and the main reasons for the total histories of war, murder, and political corruption. but though want of money may be inherent, religious belief is a cycle that is continued via parenting. it is passed on by the generations and is often used to enhance people's lives. unfortunately, it doesn't always end where it should.

here is a classic tale: girl meets boy, they fall in love, they have a family and live happily ever after.

here is a modern religious tale: girl meets boy, they fall in love, girl has her skull publicly crushed by her family.

is this what we should expect from religious Middle Easterners now? forcing women to cover themselves and denying them basic human rights is pretty extreme. can someone please explain to a poor atheist why we are supposed to give credit to a religion that murders kids for loving kids from other faiths? is this an isolated incident, involving a community of people who all drank the same tainted water, making them insane? or is this the new standard in Iraqi religious behavior?

 

[Bishka]

This is radical Muslims not all Mulsims around the world. There is a difference.

 

[gnomon]

If you are talking about what I think you are talking about then let me assuage your fear.

The group of people involved were Kurds who belonged to the Yezidi religion and the girl was stoned for dating a Muslim. Not by muslims. There is already an interesting thread discussing relative levels of literacy and education in relation to honor killings, women's rights, etc.

edit: I believe the scholarly consensus is the Yezidism is not an Islamic creed. It is its own religion heavily influenced by Islam and many earlier religious traditions from the area.

 

[Truth_Faith13]

it's no secret that money and religion are the oldest evils in the world and the main reasons for the total histories of war, murder, and political corruption. but though want of money may be inherent, religious belief is a cycle that is continued via parenting. it is passed on by the generations and is often used to enhance people's lives. unfortunately, it doesn't always end where it should.

here is a classic tale: girl meets boy, they fall in love, they have a family and live happily ever after.

here is a modern religious tale: girl meets boy, they fall in love, girl has her skull publicly crushed by her family.

is this what we should expect from Muslims now? forcing women to cover themselves and denying them basic human rights is pretty extreme. can someone please explain to a poor atheist why we are supposed to give credit to a religion that murders kids for loving kids from other faiths? is this an isolated incident, involving a community of people who all drank the same tainted water, making them insane? or is this the new standard in Muslim behavior?

Ok first the Islamic Religion DOES NOT teach parents to kill their kids for being with someone of another religion. It is the unfrotunate circumstance that horrible, sick, minded people use religion as the excuse!

Secondly, Many muslim women are not forced to wear the hijab they do it out of their own choice and free will! They have faith in their God and believe it is the right thing to do! Again it is unfortunate that some families are extreme and force their daughters or kill them for it - but this is against their religion!

Unfortunately the media being the media will pick up on these cases, but they are no different to any other murders. An atheist who is racist may kill his daughter for going out with a black man - there is no religion there, but same act of violence! These people are sick minded people who twist the faith and cause other people to hate it to! But they are not true muslims!

I disagree with women being forced to wear the hijabb - personally I think it is over the top - but that is my opinion, they have theirs, if women want to wear it they should be allowed to without the fear of others (non-muslims) cursing them for being apart of a murdering community when they are not! There are just as many whites/blacks/young/old/etc who go around murdering people and doing unbelievable cruelty!

 

[junior]

of course, there are all kinds of people who murder their daughters/sons/neighbors/etc. but i'm concerned with here is murder in the name of God and the fact that these incidents have gone on (quite publicly) seemingly unchallenged and for so long. what is the punishment? are the peaceful too passive? when and how does this end?

 

[Truth_Faith13]

of course, there are all kinds of people who murder their daughters/sons/neighbors/etc. but i'm concerned with here is murder in the name of God and the fact that these incidents have gone on (quite publicly) seemingly unchallenged and for so long. what is the punishment? are the peaceful too passive? when and how does this end?

But its not "God wants you to murder your kids" as your thread title states! It is not trully in Gods name! They use God as an excuse - just as some people use drink/drugs as an excuse! If I were to go out and kill someone now and say "I do this in the name of Junior" does that mean you have told me to kill that person! NOT AT ALL!!!!!

Yes they have continued but hasnt any other murder? All murders are challenged - many people are arrested for murdering their daughters. Its like any other murder, sometimes the investigation is successful and other times it is not (unfortunately). What do you want them to do?

 

[Dr. Nosophoros]

LOL! GO GOD!
If your right toe does something "evil" though it is seen as "good", isn't the whole body to blame to some degree? Let's compromise, we'll blame .... the "one armed man!" he isn't one of us and is easily blamed because he has no power to defend himself and as a kicker we can completely ignore our own responsibility thereby letting us off the hook.

 

[Darkness]

Religion is not the problem. Certain religious beliefs are malevolent, but do not denounce religion because of a single horrific incident. (Note: I am an Atheist)

it's no secret that money and religion are the oldest evils in the world and the main reasons for the total histories of war, murder, and political corruption.

Religion may be the tool used to rally the mindless masses, but the quest for power is what lead the leaders of religious movements to kill. Even without religion tyrants and malevolent regimes still arise i.e. Soviet Russia, Communist China.

 

[junior]

my idiocy is not open to debate here. boy, some people are seriously deficient in discussion skills. i was hoping i would find some intelligent, adult insight here.

i do not denounce organized religion based on a single incident--i denounce it based on its entire history. i denounce it because, on broad scale, it does more harm than good, all in the name of supernatural forces that do not exist. practice what you like. pray to any god or any demon you like, as long as you aren't hurting or repressing other people. ok?

now, if you're not at all wise to the histories of the world's religions or their influence on contemporary law and societies, you're invited to visit another thread. and please attend a rudimentary course in logic at your local place of higher learning.

 

[FatMan]

"Skull publically crushed by her family".

I think God prefers this to be done in private.

 

[Truth_Faith13]

my idiocy is not open to debate here. boy, some people are seriously deficient in discussion skills. i was hoping i would find some intelligent, adult insight here.

i do not denounce organized religion based on a single incident--i denounce it based on its entire history. i denounce it because, on broad scale, it does more harm than good, all in the name of supernatural forces that do not exist. practice what you like. pray to any god or any demon you like, as long as you aren't hurting or repressing other people. ok?

now, if you're not at all wise to the histories of the world's religions or their influence on contemporary law and societies, you're invited to visit another thread. and please attend a rudimentary course in logic at your local place of higher learning.

Ok where has RELIGION not PEOPLE done more harm than good? Give me some examples please?

 

[junior]

Ok where has RELIGION not PEOPLE done more harm than good? Give me some examples please?

laws, since you cannot have religion without people, i'm afraid your question is unanswerable. people created religion. people practice religion. people continue to create religions that suit them. some are harmless, some are harmful.

 

[Truth_Faith13]

laws, since you cannot have religion without people, i'm afraid your question is unanswerable. people created religion. people practice religion. people continue to create religions that suit them. some are harmless, some are harmful.

No, it is answerable! You are right you cannot have religion without people but what I was trying to say, is where has religion done more harm than good and this harm has ACTUALLY been taught by that religion! For example, your example of people killing their children does not count as religion does not teach that!

 

[ChristineES]

Once again someone is blaming God for what some people do. God isn't doing this not even the religion is, people are doing it. God and religion is not your enemy, it seems that men are.

 

[junior]

you mean the books don't teach that. the bible, the koran--they don't teach murder or that their faith is better than all others. i'm sure they were concocted by ostensibly decent people who, for whatever reason, needed to believe that the human race had a greater purpose.

these books and their ideas are interpreted by the practitioners of the faith. and it is these practitioners (not all of them, of course) who have done so much damage. and why all the damage and hate? in the name of their religion.

what was the goal of the Spanish Inquisition? what motivated the Jewish Holocaust? how did Christ end up burning in the sun? why aren't gays allowed to marry in the US? what leads these men in Iraq to bombard an innocent young girl with cinder blocks? they would all tell you it was their religion. were all these people insane? could be.

 

[Bishka]

what was the goal of the Spanish Inquisition? what motivated the Jewish Holocaust? how did Christ end up burning in the sun? why aren't gays allowed to marry in the US? what leads these men in Iraq to bombard an innocent young girl with cinder blocks?

People's selfish desires to twists something to their own agenda.

 

[Truth_Faith13]

you mean the books don't teach that. the bible, the koran--they don't teach murder or that their faith is better than all others. i'm sure they were concocted by ostensibly decent people who, for whatever reason, needed to believe that the human race had a greater purpose.

these books and their ideas are interpreted by the practitioners of the faith. and it is these practitioners (not all of them, of course) who have done so much damage. and why all the damage and hate? in the name of their religion.

what was the goal of the Spanish Inquisition? what motivated the Jewish Holocaust? how did Christ end up burning in the sun? why aren't gays allowed to marry in the US? what leads these men in Iraq to bombard an innocent young girl with cinder blocks? they would all tell you it was their religion. were all these people insane? could be.

Ok, I think someone needs to check their history! Hitler WAS NOT religious and the jewish holocaust WAS NOT in the name of religion! Hitler wanted a pure race - of blondes, blue eyed tall germans. He was jelous of the jews because they were successful businnes man and "Taking over Germany". It had got nothing to do with the religion whatsoever!!!!!!!! It seems you feel the same way about muslims, perhaps we should have a muslim holocaust? but wait your atheist so it wouldnt be in the name of religion just pure hatred!

The spanish one I dont know anything about so cant comment!

Iraq - they did it, not God! It was by MAN hand and no commandment from God. They use it as an excuse, just as if you got drunk and hit someone you would use the drink as an excuse!

As for Gays - religion doesnt govern the law in most developed countries!

 

[Truth_Faith13]

You might want to look up the ten commandments.... see now what does one say...

Thou shall not KILL!!!!!!

 

[McBell]

my idiocy is not open to debate here. boy, some people are seriously deficient in discussion skills. i was hoping i would find some intelligent, adult insight here.

i do not denounce organized religion based on a single incident--i denounce it based on its entire history. i denounce it because, on broad scale, it does more harm than good, all in the name of supernatural forces that do not exist. practice what you like. pray to any god or any demon you like, as long as you aren't hurting or repressing other people. ok?

now, if you're not at all wise to the histories of the world's religions or their influence on contemporary law and societies, you're invited to visit another thread. and please attend a rudimentary course in logic at your local place of higher learning.

Seems to me you have fallen into the same trap.
You are scapegoating religion for the acts of men while saying that men are scapegoating God for their acts.

 

[ChristineES]

Murder was first made, according to the Bible, by Cain, who killed Abel out of jealousy. It is unfair to blame things on Religion like this. God did not cause the Holocaust or the Spanish inquisition. People, as Beckysoup61 says, twist the word of God to fit their own agenda. They do what a lot of people still do, quote verses out of context to do any thing they want. That is why I frown about not reading the Bible as a whole.