God's Judgement

[angellous_evangellous]

I've been thinking about God's judgement lately.

It seems that the Christian God judges humanity for not being God - and it aint pretty. Basically, God created humanity with the ability to sin, and death came into the world because of sin. Those who are chosen will be forgiven and be given eternal life, resurrected to a body that is unable to sin and die - just like God - who has always been unable to sin and die.

It seems then that God judges humans for not being God, and selects some (whether by predestination, human belief in Christ, or arbitrary choice) to become like God.

We judge God for being unreachable, unjust, and unethical. May God have mercy on us all when God judges us for not being God.

 

[Quiddity]

I've been thinking about God's judgement lately.

It seems that the Christian God judges humanity for not being God - and it aint pretty. Basically, God created humanity with the ability to sin, and death came into the world because of sin. Those who are chosen will be forgiven and be given eternal life, resurrected to a body that is unable to sin and die - just like God - who has always been unable to sin and die.

Chosen for what?
I want to make sure I'm understanding you.

It seems then that God judges humans for not being God, and selects some (whether by predestination, human belief in Christ, or arbitrary choice) to become like God.

You mean I wasn't chosen to be god-like?
I want my money back....:149:

We judge God for being unreachable, unjust, and unethical. May God have mercy on us all when God judges us for not being God.

I can use all the mercy and grace I can get.

 

[ΩRôghênΩ]

makes sense to me. you seem very cynical towards god lately

 

[Booko]

makes sense to me. you seem very cynical towards god lately

It might be cynical towards God, or just cynical towards certain human concepts of God. They're anything but identical.

 

[Quiddity]

makes sense to me. you seem very cynical towards god lately

LR, I will make it a point not to use trenchant wit, sarcasm, or any form of folly remarks when you are around..... . AA often does the same and I think he appreciates such tactics more then others.....God Bless em...........I am not afraid to apologize it it's taken otherwise.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Chosen for what?
I want to make sure I'm understanding you.

It's my understanding that God can do whatever God wants and remain righteous.

At the end of the day, we can try to follow God all we want, but he will give life//heaven//reward to whomever he chooses. There are some who think that they are chosen now because they believe in Jesus - often despite what they do.

I have this sepcifically in my mind:

Romans 9

"I will have mercy on whom I have mercy,
and I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."[f] 16It does not, therefore, depend on man's desire or effort, but on God's mercy. 17For the Scripture says to Pharaoh: "I raised you up for this very purpose, that I might display my power in you and that my name might be proclaimed in all the earth."[g] 18Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden.

25As he says in Hosea:
"I will call them 'my people' who are not my people;
and I will call her 'my loved one' who is not my loved one,"[i] 26and,
"It will happen that in the very place where it was said to them,
'You are not my people,'
they will be called 'sons of the living God.' "[j]

Romans 11

17If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18do not boast over those branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19You will say then, "Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in." 20Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. 21For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.

 

[standing_on_one_foot]

Well, I have my sneaking suspicion that G-d isn't the way we concieve. G-d judges us for not being like Him? Well, to be fair, we think G-d's like us. So I'm with you that, by the way humans tend to describe G-d, in human terms G-d doesn't behave too well. Sort of a result of living in an imperfect world right there. I just doubt that we have all the answers.

Yes, I suppose G-d can do whatever G-d wants...hard to tell what that is, though. Maybe G-d just isn't paying attention to us. Which thought is worse?

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Which thought is worse?

I know exactly what you mean.

It seems to me that it's more productive to hate God and love other people than to love God and hate others.

Perhaps then the worse thought about God is the thinking that causes you to neglect other people.

 

[standing_on_one_foot]

It seems to me that it's more productive to hate God and love other people than to love God and hate others.

Perhaps then the worse thought about God is the thinking that causes you to neglect other people.

This is true, although the two needn't be mutually exclusive.

And if you're going by the worse thought being the one that makes you behave most poorly, if your belief does cause you to neglect people you do have an issue. Reminds me of a rather neat story. Someone was trying to explain how everthing might serve G-d's purpose (or something along those lines, my memory's a little rusty), and he was asked how disbelief in G-d fits into this. His answer was that this can make you act as though things depended on you, since you couldn't assume G-d would work things out. An interesting point, I always thought.

 

[michel]

I've been thinking about God's judgement lately.

It seems that the Christian God judges humanity for not being God - and it aint pretty. Basically, God created humanity with the ability to sin, and death came into the world because of sin. Those who are chosen will be forgiven and be given eternal life, resurrected to a body that is unable to sin and die - just like God - who has always been unable to sin and die.

Ah, well, that may be the case for your brand of Christianity, but it doesn't work for me. For a start, as I believe, we will all end up in Heaven, having learned "how to get it right".

If we don't get it right the first time, we'll just have to come back, and try again, until we do get it right.

It seems then that God judges humans for not being God, and selects some (whether by predestination, human belief in Christ, or arbitrary choice) to become like God.

That is another reasoning for the belief in reicarnation.

God is fair ? (is't he?) He loves us. Would he really let a child be born to a mother who is dying of AIDS in Africa, with the child himself ready to follow suit after a short and awful life? ...........while, not too far away, a child is born with a silver spoon in his mouth?

I can't accept that. that is one of the reasons I believe in what I do.

The fact that the silver-spooned guy lives as he does, while his fellow African in doomed to a horrible life is to give the silver-spooned guy a chance to shine; to do something to help the not-so-lucky.

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May God have mercy on us all when God judges us for not being God

He has infinite mercy; he knows he asks a lot from you; when I send my son to school for the first time, I don't expect him to come out the same day with a degree......

I know damn well he'll struggle with certain things, and I'll try to help him as much as I can.

And yes, if he is weak at maths (which my older one was), I gave him tuition every night until he understood. God will be the same. there is no need to be fearing God; just try hard, and he'll smile on you, for being a good son to him.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

This is true, although the two needn't be mutually exclusive.

It does seem to describe many people in my experience. I've been telling fellow pastors that all of the truly "lost" people are in the churches, and all of the people outside of the church are pretty much ok.

 

[Quiddity]

It's my understanding that God can do whatever God wants and remain righteous.

At the end of the day, we can try to follow God all we want, but he will give life//heaven//reward to whomever he chooses. There are some who think that they are chosen now because they believe in Jesus - often despite what they do.

What I bolded is crucial to set up a world view and how you interpret scripture in general. God ONLY chooses per his attributes. He will not choose outside of that. So technically he can't choose "whomever He chooses" in regards to salvation.​

 

[angellous_evangellous]

What I bolded is crucial to set up a world view and how you interpret scripture in general. God ONLY chooses per his attributes. He will not choose outside of that. So technically he can't choose "whomever He chooses" in regards to salvation.​

I'm not sure that you can show how I am using the phrase exclusively of your definition here.

 

[Super Universe]

Do people protest that children are not allowed to play in the NFL?

Do you argue that someone without any proficiency in math teach it in a university?

Should a blind person be allowed to pilot an aircraft?

Salvation is yours but you have to earn it. Search for it. Desire and want it. It is not something that only some are chosen for. It is a gift for all. But so many, 95% I think, would rather have a joyous life as a human. They think this is it. They think this one temporary human life is the best thing in the universe so they live selfishly. Me, me, me, they think.

What use would God have for a selfish being?

You have free will, what have you done for the universe?