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God's purpose

gnostic

The Lost One
What do you think is God's purpose for creating us humans?

To worship him? :bow:

To be tested if we are worthy of a place in heaven? :149:

Or is a game, he wanted to play because he was bored, and thought: "This place looks pretty remote, let's create humans to see what they would do with this world."

Or is there no purpose? :eek:

Was it accident in nature? Did life on earth began because the planet was in the right place and right time? Are we simply here as the result of cosmic alphabetic soup being cooked? :eat:
 

jeffrey

†ßig Dog†
gnostic said:
What do you think is God's purpose for creating us humans?

To worship him? :bow:
Why does he need us to worship him? I think he can survive without us.
To be tested if we are worthy of a place in heaven?

If he already knows our hearts, knows everything, why do we need to be tested?

Or is a game, he wanted to play because he was bored, and thought: "This place looks pretty remote, let's create humans to see what they would do with this world."
Could be...
Or is there no purpose?
Drink a bud and ask "why ask why?"

Was it accident in nature? Did life on earth began because the planet was in the right place and right time? Are we simply here as the result of cosmic alphabetic soup being cooked?
I believe something made us. Or at least got the ball rolling.
 

Opethian

Active Member
We created god to be able to explain things we couldn't explain. Today that primary purpose for god has changed and broadened a lot though.
 

michel

Administrator Emeritus
Staff member
I believe : To be tested if we are worthy of a place in heaven :149:

But why ? Now that's a question, if I am right.
 

sojourner

Annoyingly Progressive Since 2006
God created us because God is love, and the love is best expressed in relationship. We are the best expression of God's love.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
gnostic said:
What do you think is God's purpose for creating us humans?

To worship him? :bow:

To be tested if we are worthy of a place in heaven? :149:

Or is a game, he wanted to play because he was bored, and thought: "This place looks pretty remote, let's create humans to see what they would do with this world."

Or is there no purpose? :eek:

Was it accident in nature? Did life on earth began because the planet was in the right place and right time? Are we simply here as the result of cosmic alphabetic soup being cooked? :eat:
This is purely my subjective opinion, and keep in mind that I try not to conceive of "God" as a personality, so when I think of God as a creator, I'm not thinking about motives in the same way that we humans have motives. I'm thinking more in terms of automatic natural manifestations ... sort of like rain is an automatic manifestation of certain atmospheric conditions.

I choose to believe that we humans exist because the essential nature of "God" is love, and love must be expressed. That expression is us. We are both the objects of and the recipients of God's love as it is expressing itself. And I choose to believe this because doing so enhances my experience of existence (not because I can prove that it's true).
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
If God is love (agape), as many people assert, then God has no purpose for us, because agape has no purpose beyond itself. It just is. Or, agape is for the sake of agape. Either way, agape implies no purpose in the common meaning of "purpose".

Furthermore, if God is agape, then God not only loves us as we are, but also loves our potential, for agape is open to any potential.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
Seems like an omnipotent Being could create a creature right on first try; a creature that wouldn't need testing.
Of course, being omniscient as well, He'd already know the result of any testing we might be put to anyway.

If He created us to worship Him He seems to have bungled the job. While many pay lip service to Him periodically, the mass of humanity spends the overwhelming majority of its time worrying about its own affairs.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
It seems to me irrefutable that God in His infinite wisdom created us (1) to adamantly scorn homosexuals, and (2) to thereby get into Heaven, a place where we get to blissfully sit in posh pews and listen for all eternity to excellent preaching against homosexuality. But I only know what I learn from listening to today's Religious Right.
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
As the Cosmic Architect I suspect He created us because He loves the fascinating variety of houses of worship we build all over the place.
He loves showing off His temple collection to other deities, though They must have impressive collections as well, since the Bible describes Him as being a jealous God.
 

PureX

Veteran Member
Sunstone said:
If God is love (agape), as many people assert, then God has no purpose for us, because agape has no purpose beyond itself. It just is. Or, agape is for the sake of agape. Either way, agape implies no purpose in the common meaning of "purpose".

Furthermore, if God is agape, then God not only loves us as we are, but also loves our potential, for agape is open to any potential.
I agree. We humans have a tendancy to always think about existence in terms of "cause and effect". But in reality existence is just one event. It's neither cause nor effect, it's both and all simaltaneously. The "motive" of being is to be.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
PureX said:
I agree. We humans have a tendancy to always think about existence in terms of "cause and effect". But in reality existence is just one event. It's neither cause nor effect, it's both and all simaltaneously. The "motive" of being is to be.

This reminds me of Einstein's comment, in a letter he wrote to the widow of one his colleagues, that "time is an illusion, albeit a particularly persistent one."

It also puts me a bit in mind of the observation of a Zen monk that went something like this: "The spider dances her dance in building a web, the fly dances his dance in becoming trapped in it." But I think that observation might have more to do with a comment on intentions than on the illusion of cause and effect. Nevertheless, it seems somewhat related to a discussion of purpose.
 

gnostic

The Lost One
sojourner said:
God created us because God is love, and the love is best expressed in relationship. We are the best expression of God's love.
Ah...But couldn't he express His love in heaven just as easy as we on earth? Isn't that going about the long way to show his affection?
 

Katzpur

Not your average Mormon
gnostic said:
What do you think is God's purpose for creating us humans?
He created us that we might have joy and reach our true potential as sons and daughters of Deity.

To worship him? :bow:
No. I do worship Him, but I don't believe that that was His purpose in creating me.

To be tested if we are worthy of a place in heaven? :149:
No, because I believe that the vast, vast majority of us will end up in Heaven.

Or is a game, he wanted to play because he was bored, and thought: "This place looks pretty remote, let's create humans to see what they would do with this world."
No. I see no reason to believe He was bored.

Or is there no purpose? :eek:
Yes, there is. It is as I explained in my first statement.

Was it accident in nature? Did life on earth began because the planet was in the right place and right time? Are we simply here as the result of cosmic alphabetic soup being cooked? :eat:
No, no and no.
 

aboody

Member
The Purpose Of Life
I invited u guys to listen to this English audio file in my site
student.kfupm.edu.sa\s215759 . I believe it has answer to this question.


here is the answer in written format,


I am honored to have this opportunity and I would like to begin by saying that all of you have an equal responsibility. That responsibility is to listen with an open heart and an open mind. In a world filled with prejudice and cultural conditioning, it is very hard to be able to find people to take a moment to think about life objectively and try to arrive at the truth about this world and the real purpose of our lives.
Unfortunately, when you ask most people the question: "What is the purpose of life?" (such a fundamental and important question), they will not tell you what they have concluded through observation or analytical reasoning. Rather, in most cases, they will simply tell you what someone else said, or they will tell you what is "commonly presumed" by others, i.e., What my father said purpose of life is, what the minister of my church said the purpose of life is, what my teacher in school said, what my friend said, etc. If I ask anyone about the purpose of eating or why do we eat, everyone will say [in one word or another] that it is for nutritional purposes, because nutrition sustains life. If I ask anyone why they work, they will say because it's a necessity in order to support themselves and to provide for the needs of their families. If I ask anyone why they sleep, why they wash, why they dress, etc., they will answer with appropriate answers, for these are common necessities for all human beings. We can follow this line of questioning with a hundred questions and receive the same or similar answers from anyone in any language from any place in the world.
Then I ask you the question: Why, when we ask the question, "What is the goal and purpose of life?" that we get many different answers? It is because people are confused; they don't really know. They are stumbling in the dark, and rather than say, "I don't know"; they just offer any answer they have been programmed to give. Think about it. Is our purpose in this world simply to eat, sleep, dress, work, acquire some material things and enjoy ourselves? Is this our purpose? Why are we born? What is the object of our existence? What is the wisdom behind the creation of man and this tremendous universe? Think about those questions.
Here I would like to mention a few verses from the Holy Quran that address this subject. We seek the protection of Allah from every evil thing. Allah mentions to us in the Holy Quran, "And to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and Allah is over all things competent. Indeed, in the creation of the heavens and the earth and the alternation of the night and the day are signs for those of understanding-Who remember Allah while standing or sitting or [lying] on their sides and give thought to the creation of the heavens and the earth, [saying], "Our Lord, You did not create this aimlessly; exalted are You [above such a thing]; then protect us from the punishment of the Fire." Surah 3: Ayahs 189-191
Now here in these verses, Allah draws our attention to the creation of the heavens and earth, the alternation of the night and the day, the creation of the universe. HE calls our attention to their creation and their precision, and mentions those who contemplate the wonders of creation and realize that this was not created for any foolish purpose, [that Allah is exalted above doing such a thing] and they seek refuge with Allah from the punishment of Hell. Truly, when you see the design of all that Allah created, you realize it is very powerful and very precise. Something very powerful and very precise; something beyond your own calculation and imagination, cannot be foolish.
My dear respected brothers and sisters, we have to ask ourselves a further question. When you see a bridge, a building or an automobile, you automatically consider the person or company that constructed it. When you see a large ship, an airplane, a rocket, a satellite; you also think about how incredible it is. [You know by its design who the maker is.] When you see a super international airport, nuclear plant or an orbiting space station you have to be thoroughly impressed with the engineering dynamics that are involved. Yet, these are just things that are manufactured by human beings. So what about the human body with its massive and intricate control systems? Think about it.
Think about the brain: how it thinks, functions, analyzes, retrieves and stores information, as well as distinguishes and categorizes information in a millionth of a second, all of this constantly.
Think about the brain for a moment. (And don't forget the fact that you are using your brain to consider itself!) This is the brain that made the automobile, the rocket ships, the boats, and so on. Think about the brain and who made that!
Think about the heart. Think about how it pumps continuously for sixty or seventy years [taking in and discharging blood throughout the body] maintaining steady precision throughout the life of the person.
Think about the kidneys and the liver and the various functions they perform. The purifying instruments of the body that perform hundreds of chemical analyses simultaneously and also controls the level of toxicity in the content of the body. All of these are done automatically.
Think about your eyes, the human cameras, that adjust, focus, interpret, evaluate, discern color automatically, naturally receiving and adjusting to light and distance.
Think about it-Who created them? Who has mastered their design and function? Who plans and regulates their function? Human beings do this? No, of course not. What about this universe?
Think about this. This earth is one planet in our solar system, and our solar system is one [of possible many] solar systems. Our galaxy, The Milky Way, is one of the galaxies. There are ONE HUNDRED MILLION GALAXIES in the universe. They are all in order and they are all precise. They are not colliding with each other. They are not conflicting with on another. They are swimming along in an orbit that has been set for them. Did human beings set that into motion and are human beings maintaining that precision? No, of course not.
Think about the oceans, the fish, the insects, the birds, the plants, bacteria, and chemical elements that have not yet been discovered and cannot be detected even with the most sophisticated instruments. Yet each of them has a law that they follow. Did all of this synchronization, balance, harmony, variation, design, maintenance, operation and infinite numeration happen all by chance? Do these things function perfectly and perpetually also by chance? No, of course not. That would be totally illogical and foolish. In the least, it indicates that however it came to exist-it exists beyond the realm of human capability. We will all agree to that. The Being, The Almighty Power, God, The Creator who has the knowledge to design and proportion created all of this and is responsible for maintaining it. HE is the only one that deserves praise and gratitude.
If I were to give each one of you one hundred dollars for no reason, just for being here, you would at least say thank you. What about your eyes, your kidneys, your brain, your children, and your life: Who gave you all of that? Is He not worthy of praise and thanks? Is He not worthy of your worship and recognition?
My brothers and sisters, that in a nutshell, is the goal and purpose of this life. Allah said to us in the Holy Quran: "And I did not create the jinn and mankind except to worship Me." [Surah 51: Ayah 56] this is what the Almighty said.
Our purpose in this life is to recognize The Creator, to be grateful to Him, to worship Him, to surrender ourselves to Him and to obey the laws that He has determined for us. It means worship is our purpose in life. Whatever we do in the course of that worship, [i.e., the eating, the sleeping, the dressing, the working, the enjoying,] between birth and death is consequential and subject to His orders. But the main reason for our creation is worship. I don't think anyone who is analytical or scientific will have much of an argument with that purpose. They may have some other reason with themselves-but that is something they have to deal with between themselves and Almighty God.


regards,
shaheen
 

gnostic

The Lost One
I was searching for answer about God's purpose for creating us, not our "purpose in life". Each person's purpose in life would be different. If there is a God, then his purpose would also be different from our.

Or are they mutually the same?
 
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