Gofundme Stealing From Canadian Trucker Protest Donors?

[Brickjectivity]

This could be an effort to steal funds in support of protests that someone at Gofundme does not agree with.

"GoFundMe initially said it would give supporters of the now-defunct campaign, which raised nearly $8 million, until February 19 to request refunds. It also said it would direct any remaining donations to "credible and established charities chosen by the Freedom Convoy 2022 organizers and verified by GoFundMe."

"But the company later reversed course, saying it would automatically refund campaign supporters in order to simplify the process. Donors can expect refunds within 10 business days, according to GoFundMe."​

GoFundMe investigated for blocking donations to Canadian truckers

Spoiler: Awaken with JP satire vid

This article discusses how patronizing it is when the corps try to decide which citizens have a right to donate and to which causes: Freedom Truckers v. GoFundMe Leftists


Aside: As you can see, the technocracy has begun, a new world in which technology is stronger than policy, where power is in the hands of those who can compute, and the rest are just beggars.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Then this happens:

A Canadian judge has frozen access to donations for the trucker convoy protest

Suddenly even France is outlawing trucker protests? France is famous for those, particularly when they are part of union employee walk offs. But now France is being bossed around, because of something happening in Canada? I don't know if I believe it. Is it so unbearable to let these truckers protest until they tire out?

So the genius move is: shut up the protestors, ignore them and call them violent on TV. Don't allow them to protest, because they are wrong. Slander them, at first using corporate shells and then direct federal intervention to disrupt them.

 

[Audie]

Then this happens:

A Canadian judge has frozen access to donations for the trucker convoy protest

Suddenly even France is outlawing trucker protests? France is famous for those, particularly when they are part of union employee walk offs. But now France is being bossed around, because of something happening in Canada? I don't know if I believe it. Is it so unbearable to let these truckers protest until they tire out?

So the genius move is: shut up the protestors, ignore them and call them violent on TV. Don't allow them to protest, because they are wrong. Slander them, at first using corporate shells and then direct federal intervention to disrupt them.

Its the duty of ( crushing) civil disobedience.

 

[Brickjectivity]

Its the duty of ( crushing) civil disobedience.

I hear you, Audie. Maybe so, but these people will disperse by themselves. They know they are only 10% of truck drivers. They know they are in the minority. They have a duty to their country. If they think something is wrong, they must protest. All duty is not government duty.

What happens, hypothetically, when 10% of truck drivers want to dance for days in the streets in praise of the prime minister? Do they get silenced then? No. So maybe this is not about crushing civil disobedience and is about favoritism.

But they are annoying a lot of people. They are creating a disturbance. True.

Silencing them suggests that the Canadian government does not recognize rights but only privileges. I think Canadians, Europeans and many others are pressured to think of themselves as the children of their respective governments. It is a different kind of democratic experiment when your rights are privileges granted by authority. This is double talk which actually means you only have privileges but that you must call them rights on paper. Its it not the same thing as recognizing that people have rights.

If you derive your rights from the government you deny that they are inalienable, and that has effects which multiply over decades. You slowly hammer the laws into a different shape which as a finished product does not recognize rights, like making a rights bell with no audible ding. You can name it a rights bell, but if it doesn't ring its really not.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

This could be an effort to steal funds in support of protests that someone at Gofundme does not agree with.

"GoFundMe initially said it would give supporters of the now-defunct campaign, which raised nearly $8 million, until February 19 to request refunds. It also said it would direct any remaining donations to "credible and established charities chosen by the Freedom Convoy 2022 organizers and verified by GoFundMe."

"But the company later reversed course, saying it would automatically refund campaign supporters in order to simplify the process. Donors can expect refunds within 10 business days, according to GoFundMe."​

GoFundMe investigated for blocking donations to Canadian truckers

Spoiler: Awaken with JP satire vid

This article discusses how patronizing it is when the corps try to decide which citizens have a right to donate and to which causes: Freedom Truckers v. GoFundMe Leftists


Aside: As you can see, the technocracy has begun, a new world in which technology is stronger than policy, where power is in the hands of those who can compute, and the rest are just beggars.

GoFundMe froze the money when it appeared that it was likely to be used for an illegal purpose. They reached out to the fundraisers for details on how the money would be used, but didn't get good answers.

GoFundMe then decided to refund the money; hardly "stealing" it. One complicating factor for the Omicronvoy fund is that a lot of the supporters donated with psuedonyms and false contact info, so there may be a fair number of donors who - because of their own decisions - can't get refunds.

... but GoFundMe has said that any unclaimed refunds will be donated to charity. Again: not exactly "stealing" it for themselves.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Then this happens:

A Canadian judge has frozen access to donations for the trucker convoy protest

That's right. Fundraising for illegal activities is generally illegal itself. Why do you seem surprised?

 

[Wu Wei]

Then this happens:

A Canadian judge has frozen access to donations for the trucker convoy protest

Suddenly even France is outlawing trucker protests? France is famous for those, particularly when they are part of union employee walk offs. But now France is being bossed around, because of something happening in Canada? I don't know if I believe it. Is it so unbearable to let these truckers protest until they tire out?

So the genius move is: shut up the protestors, ignore them and call them violent on TV. Don't allow them to protest, because they are wrong. Slander them, at first using corporate shells and then direct federal intervention to disrupt them.

Welcome to the new world.... I don't like it, but that appears to be the way things are

 

[Audie]

I hear you, Audie. Maybe so, but these people will disperse by themselves. They know they are only 10% of truck drivers. They know they are in the minority. They have a duty to their country. If they think something is wrong, they must protest. All duty is not government duty.

What happens, hypothetically, when 10% of truck drivers want to dance for days in the streets in praise of the prime minister? Do they get silenced then? No. So maybe this is not about crushing civil disobedience and is about favoritism.

But they are annoying a lot of people. They are creating a disturbance. True.

Silencing them suggests that the Canadian government does not recognize rights but only privileges. I think Canadians, Europeans and many others are pressured to think of themselves as the children of their respective governments. It is a different kind of democratic experiment when your rights are privileges granted by authority. This is double talk which actually means you only have privileges but that you must call them rights on paper. Its it not the same thing as recognizing that people have rights.

If you derive your rights from the government you deny that they are inalienable, and that has effects which multiply over decades. You slowly hammer the laws into a different shape which as a finished product does not recognize rights, like making a rights bell with no audible ding. You can name it a rights bell, but if it doesn't ring its really not.

The people at Selma bridge were causing a disturbance.

Im sorry to see people being suckered by
the usual charges of far right- psranoia- nazi-
Confre flags, etc. Cheering for the dogs to be set on them.

Or talking money when its about principle.

Not the least consideration of solving it by
changing policy- " negotiatevwith terrorists".

 

[Stevicus]

Aside: As you can see, the technocracy has begun, a new world in which technology is stronger than policy, where power is in the hands of those who can compute, and the rest are just beggars.

Well, they don't really have to use GoFundMe. People could always send checks or money orders, like we used to do in the old days.

On the other hand, there are more and more people who can compute, and they're not all of one like mind. It's when a few companies (or governments) control most of it - that's when it's a problem.

However, the internet is sometimes like the Wild West. While the big tech companies are like the big mine owners or ranchers, there are still some skilled gunfighters and outlaws who can stick it to them from time to time.

 

[Audie]

That's right. Fundraising for illegal activities is generally illegal itself. Why do you seem surprised?

Heaven forbid that anyone fund anti vietnam war or civil rights protests.

 

[Stevicus]

Heaven forbid that anyone fund anti vietnam war or civil rights protests.

Yeah, although back in those days, we didn't have the internet. We used smoke signals.

Still, anyone who supported the anti-war or civil rights protests were watched and sometimes harassed (or even beaten up or killed). It was definitely no picnic for them. They're treating these truckers with kit gloves by comparison.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Well, they don't really have to use GoFundMe. People could always send checks or money orders, like we used to do in the old days.

But then they lose the size and ease-of-use of GoFundMe, which means less revenue.

They also lose a lot of the (presumed) anonymity of GoFundMe. Cheques leave a paper trail, which isn't good when you're trying to fundraise for crime.

 

[Stevicus]

But then they lose the size and ease-of-use of GoFundMe, which means less revenue.

They also lose a lot of the (presumed) anonymity of GoFundMe. Cheques leave a paper trail, which isn't good when you're trying to fundraise for crime.

Well, then they can always take a briefcase full of cash and meet in a sleazy dive in a border town to make the payoff, just like any respectable criminals would do.

 

[Debater Slayer]

This could be an effort to steal funds in support of protests that someone at Gofundme does not agree with.

"GoFundMe initially said it would give supporters of the now-defunct campaign, which raised nearly $8 million, until February 19 to request refunds. It also said it would direct any remaining donations to "credible and established charities chosen by the Freedom Convoy 2022 organizers and verified by GoFundMe."

"But the company later reversed course, saying it would automatically refund campaign supporters in order to simplify the process. Donors can expect refunds within 10 business days, according to GoFundMe."​

GoFundMe investigated for blocking donations to Canadian truckers

Spoiler: Awaken with JP satire vid

This article discusses how patronizing it is when the corps try to decide which citizens have a right to donate and to which causes: Freedom Truckers v. GoFundMe Leftists


Aside: As you can see, the technocracy has begun, a new world in which technology is stronger than policy, where power is in the hands of those who can compute, and the rest are just beggars.

JP Sears is a prominent anti-vaxxer, conspiracy theorist, and far-right YouTuber. I wouldn't put much stock in his claims; he has shown himself to be more motivated by ideology and political affiliation than facts and expert consensus.

As for the specific issue in question, GoFundMe is a privately owned platform, so they do have the right to decide which causes they want to allow to receive funds through their service. If I were the owner of GoFundMe, I don't think I would want my service to be used to fund dangerously ill-advised protests against expert-recommended health mandates.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Heaven forbid that anyone fund anti vietnam war or civil rights protests.

I don't think protesting health mandates that have been demonstrated to save lives in multiple countries is at all analogous to protesting the Vietnam War or civil rights violations.

That and Canadian law enforcement has dealt with the protesters very peacefully. If the protesters face any sanctions, that will be done according to existing laws. Nothing unusual or over-the-top about the whole thing.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

Well, then they can always take a briefcase full of cash and meet in a sleazy dive in a border town to make the payoff, just like any respectable criminals would do.

These numpties aren't vaccinated, so no quick runs across the border for them.

 

[Kooky]

"But the company later reversed course, saying it would automatically refund campaign supporters in order to simplify the process. Donors can expect refunds within 10 business days, according to GoFundMe."​

Isn't that the exact opposite of stealing?

 

[Debater Slayer]

Then this happens:

A Canadian judge has frozen access to donations for the trucker convoy protest

Suddenly even France is outlawing trucker protests? France is famous for those, particularly when they are part of union employee walk offs. But now France is being bossed around, because of something happening in Canada? I don't know if I believe it. Is it so unbearable to let these truckers protest until they tire out?

So the genius move is: shut up the protestors, ignore them and call them violent on TV. Don't allow them to protest, because they are wrong. Slander them, at first using corporate shells and then direct federal intervention to disrupt them.

France has some of the strictest COVID mandates in Europe. The mandates in Canada and the U.S. are a breeze in comparison. They aren't being bossed around; it seems to me that they just want to ensure the public-health progress they have made through their anti-COVID strategies doesn't get undone by similar protests that put others at risk and upend the course of action recommended by leading medical organizations.

And from what I've read about the convoy's actions, it may well be unbearable to let them keep protesting until they tire out, yes. Honking horns near residential areas, blocking important roads, and congesting traffic (among other things) are heavily disruptive and problematic for people passing or living nearby.

 

[Audie]

France has some of the strictest COVID mandates in Europe. The mandates in Canada and the U.S. are a breeze in comparison. They aren't being bossed around; it seems to me that they just want to ensure the public-health progress they have made through their anti-COVID strategies doesn't get undone by similar protests that put others at risk and upend the course of action recommended by leading medical organizations.

And from what I've read about the convoy's actions, it may well be unbearable to let them keep protesting until they tire out, yes. Honking horns near residential areas, blocking important roads, and congesting traffic (among other things) are heavily disruptive and problematic for people passing or living nearby.

Protests are disruptive by nature

 

[Debater Slayer]

Protests are disruptive by nature

That's true. I just think if someone decides to protest and disrupt life somewhere, it should only be used as an urgent and last resort to support useful causes, not as a way out of demonstrably helpful health mandates that the truckers have other ways of avoiding anyway by working locally.