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GOP civil war

sun rise

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Whether it is McCarthy swearing at the extreme wing, Cheney's statement, Romney's retirement statement I think it's accurate to call what is going on a political civil war for control of the GOP. While I have extreme disagreements with the right's politics, the country would be well served by having honest debates about what is best for America rather than the current Trump/MAGA cult arm waving.

Cheney:

"Putin has now officially endorsed the Putin-wing of the Republican Party," Cheney tweeted over an AP News article about Russian President Vladimir Putin blasting the criminal indictments of Trump as "rotten" politically motivated prosecutions.

"Putin Republicans & their enablers will end up on the ash heap of history," continued Cheney. "Patriotic Americans in both parties who believe in the values of liberal democracy will make sure of it."

Romney:

"A very large portion of my party really doesn't believe in the Constitution,"
 
Left Coast

Left Coast

This Is Water
Staff member
Premium Member
sun rise said:
Whether it is McCarthy swearing at the extreme wing, Cheney's statement, Romney's retirement statement I think it's accurate to call what is going on a political civil war for control of the GOP. While I have extreme disagreements with the right's politics, the country would be well served by having honest debates about what is best for America rather than the current Trump/MAGA cult arm waving.

Cheney:

"Putin has now officially endorsed the Putin-wing of the Republican Party," Cheney tweeted over an AP News article about Russian President Vladimir Putin blasting the criminal indictments of Trump as "rotten" politically motivated prosecutions.

"Putin Republicans & their enablers will end up on the ash heap of history," continued Cheney. "Patriotic Americans in both parties who believe in the values of liberal democracy will make sure of it."

Romney:

"A very large portion of my party really doesn't believe in the Constitution,"
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It's sad to see a party that once stood proudly against the autocratic Russian regime now simp for it. The adults have all abandoned ship. Let us hope they come to their senses.
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
How can a party that even can't get its own act together successfully lead to country?
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
We Never Know said:
How can a party government that even can't get its own act together successfully lead to country?
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I won't use that broad of stroke as so much was accomplished until just recently. Right now, the House is so dysfunctional as we've seen Romney lamented on.
 
Saint Frankenstein

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
No one cares what neocon warmonger Liz has to say about anything. Her constituents thankfully gave her the boot. She's probably part of some warmonger think tank now. No one cares about Romney. These losers aren't sages or whatever.
 
sun rise

sun rise

The world is on fire
Premium Member
Saint Frankenstein said:
No one cares what neocon warmonger Liz has to say about anything. Her constituents thankfully gave her the boot. She's probably part of some warmonger think tank now. No one cares about Romney. These losers aren't sages or whatever.
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How nice of you to tell me that I don't care after I posted that I do care and others did as well. You've effectively reduced us to subhuman creatures who don't count for anything since "NO ONE CARES".
 
YmirGF

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
sun rise said:
How nice of you to tell me that I don't care after I posted that I do care and others did as well. You've effectively reduced us to subhuman creatures who don't count for anything since "NO ONE CARES".
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The reality is that no one in the Republican Party (or their allies) gives a flying phooey what either Cheney or Romney have to say about pretty much anything. That they echo the Democratic playbook is expected, and it is understandable why people on the other side of the aisle like to listen to them.
 
metis

metis

aged ecumenical anthropologist
YmirGF said:
The reality is that no one in the Republican Party (or their allies) gives a flying phooey what either Cheney or Romney have to say about pretty much anything. That they echo the Democratic playbook is expected, and it is understandable why people on the other side of the aisle like to listen to them.
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So, basic morality and how people are treated isn't important? Maybe tell that to the over 100 Capitol Police who were injured or killed on January 6th.
 
Shaul

Shaul

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Any disagreements within the Republican Party are their business and theirs alone. Outsiders don't have much standing to opine about those squabbles. ESPECIALLY any outsiders who hate Republicans. (I'm not suggesting the OP is among these.) The current heated discussions within the Republican Party are not at the level of a civil war. There are factions working out issues and jockeying for power. Similar things have happened before. It is not anything existential.
 
anna.

anna.

colors your eyes with what's not there
metis said:
Eventually, we all probably get "voted out" somewhere. At least she had the guts to stand what she believed regardless of the consequences, and that made her stand out even though I never was a fan or hers or her father.
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There are a lot of things I could disagree with Liz Cheney on, but I have no doubt that she puts country over party. She literally walked the talk and took the consequences she knew would come, but she had the courage to do it anyway. I respect that, and history will look kindly on her. Democratic or Republican, those who actually respect Constitutional values will respect that Liz Cheney did the right things at the right times.
 
YmirGF

YmirGF

Bodhisattva in Recovery
anna. said:
There are a lot of things I could disagree with Liz Cheney on, but I have no doubt that she puts country over party. She literally walked the talk and took the consequences she knew would come, but she had the courage to do it anyway. I respect that, and history will look kindly on her. Democratic or Republican, those who actually respect Constitutional values will respect that Liz Cheney did the right things at the right times.
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I hope she felt it was worth it because she would have a hard time getting elected. Then again, she could simply run as a Democratic Party member... but I bet they wouldn't have her because she has way too much baggage now.
 
anna.

anna.

colors your eyes with what's not there
YmirGF said:
I hope she felt it was worth it because she would have a hard time getting elected. Then again, she could simply run as a Democratic Party member... but I bet they wouldn't have her because she has way too much baggage now.
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It obviously seems she felt it was worth it, because she did it. She stood up to the anti-Constitutionalists because it was the right thing to do. That shows character. That doesn't mean she'd "run as a Democratic Party" member, because well, she isn't a member of the Democratic Party. The point you may be missing is she did the right thing for the country, not for her party. She literally transcended parties in order to defend the Constitution. Many Democrats recognize that's what she did, and rightly respect her for it. They don't have to agree with her on anything else, and yet they can still respect her for it. Some Republicans, like lonely Mitt, understand it too. It's a sad commentary on the rest of the GOP that they don't. Not publicly, at least. Most of them don't have her courage, they knelt before Trump and kept their mouths shut.
 
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