Great Gay People.

[Ardhanariswar]

over the past week people have been talking about gay people, who were famous history ish people.

like Tchaikovsky and alexander the great.

is this true?

 

[Pah]

over the past week people have been talking about gay people, who were famous history ish people.

like Tchaikovsky and alexander the great.

is this true?

Tchaikovsky's homosexuality was denied by Soviet musicologists until fairly recently, and much material still remains to be retrieved from Russian archives and published in English. His lovers included Alexey Apukhtin in his music student days 1867-70; Vladimir Shilovsky, a wealthy young lad whom he also met at the Moscow Conservatory, during 1868-72, and who financed several trips for the two of them; Alexei Sofronov his valet from 1872 to the end of his life; his pupil Eduard Zak, who killed himself in 1873 (he inspired the Romeo and Juliet Fantasy Overture); Joseph Kotek in the mid-1870s; his nephew Vladimir Davidov (second son of his sister Alexandra) in the 1880s-1890s, to whom he dedicated the Symphonie Pathétique (1893); and the young pianist Vassily Sapelnikov who went with him on a tour to Germany, France and England. In addition, many brief affairs are recorded in his cryptographic diary; e.g. on March 22, 1889 he records that a ‘Negro came in to me’, to his hotel room in Paris.

http://www.infopt.demon.co.uk/tchaikov.htm

Apparently so!!

 

[Sunstone]

Actually, Gerani, the notion that gay people have contributed anything to our civilization is a lie perpetuated by the insidious homosexual lobby. The real truth is that gay people have been far too involved in lustful activities to have the time to make contributions to civilization. For instance, that notorious gay of ancient Greece, Aristotle, actually did nothing but while away his time engaging in sex. His philosophical works were really written by a heterosexual slave he kept named Demetrious. I hope this helps to clarify anything you may have read to the contrary in your history textbooks -- what do historians know, anyway?

 

[cvipertooth]

Actually, Gerani, the notion that gay people have contributed anything to our civilization is a lie perpetuated by the insidious homosexual lobby. The real truth is that gay people have been far too involved in lustful activities to have the time to make contributions to civilization. For instance, that notorious gay of ancient Greece, Aristotle, actually did nothing but while away his time engaging in sex. His philosophical works were really written by a heterosexual slave he kept named Demetrious. I hope this helps to clarify anything you may have read to the contrary in your history textbooks -- what do historians know, anyway?

Not only greece, but wouldnt the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah fallen under this also? Maybe God saw that these people were not contributing to society, or could harm civilization in some way. Wouldnt this be compared to the Levitical laws, which are not laws just for God's meanness, but for the safety of his own people?

 

[Sunstone]

Michelangelo didn't paint the Sistine Chapel ceiling, either. That was done by an apprentice of his named "George". George was heterosexual, unlike Michelangelo, and so he (George) had plenty of time to paint the Sistine Chapel ceiling. But Michelangelo lacked the time to do it himself because he was too busy having homosexual sex. Moral: The lustful nature of homosexuals has been the main reason they have never made any contributions to our civilization.

 

[Druidus]

Leonardo Da Vinci?

Not only greece, but wouldnt the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah fallen under this also? Maybe God saw that these people were not contributing to society, or could harm civilization in some way. Wouldnt this be compared to the Levitical laws, which are not laws just for God's meanness, but for the safety of his own people?

Maybe sarcasm needs to be recognized more? Maybe God has nothing to do with it? Are you saying we need to follow the Levitical laws? Do you shave?

 

[Ardhanariswar]

WOW. sunstone? are you being sarcastic? those comments were so closeminded.

i LOVE michaelangelo.

alexander the great was a bi (he did girls but prefered men) and conquered the largest empires.

i really hope you were sarcastic.

i was just amazed that there were famous gay people out there. leonardo da vinci especially. i kno homosexuality probably has nothing to do with it. but its just wierd. i always thought they were normal...

 

[cvipertooth]

Maybe sarcasm needs to be recognized more? Maybe God has nothing to do with it? Are you saying we need to follow the Levitical laws? Do you shave?

No i do not believe we should follow the Levitical Laws, they were appropriate for the living conditions at the time. Dont drink blood, youll get sick. Dont fornicate, there wouldnt be STD's if people only had sex as virgins. Some could have been for religious reasons, as the part about chaving. But we have no way of knowing what God (hypothetically) mandated as laws for safety and what the people created themselves as ritualistic religion.

 

[Druidus]

Then should we follow them all, or follow none?

You can't pick and choose.

 

[Sunstone]

I am forced to agree that by destroying Sodom and Gomorrah, God saved the Hebrews from the likes of Solon, Aristotle, Michelangelo, Leonardo Da Vinci, and Oscar Wilde. That probably accounts for the reason why the ancient Hebrew civilization easily outshown the civilizations of both Egypt and Mesopotamia -- to say nothing of Greece and Rome. I'm very sure of it.

 

[Ceridwen018]

Tchaikovsky certainly got around, didn't he?

 

[cvipertooth]

Then should we follow them all, or follow none?

You can't pick and choose.

I would say that following the Levitical Laws, or not, have no importance in salvation. The sacrificing in Leviticus, for instance, was not neccessary in the christian faith after the death of Jesus, or "the sacrificial Lamb". I'm sure it would not be taboo to sacrifice something in your life in the name of God, but you dont have to. Once again, the laws were set into place for the people at the time, not us today.

 

[The Voice of Reason]

First, let me set things aright - Sunstone is being facetious, by using sarcasm and irony. Obviously, someone mistook his post as being a condemnation of gay people as being in a serious vein. Apparently, Druidus' comment was a little to vague for some to grasp.

Oscar Wilde, Da Vinci, Alexander the Great... the list of gay people that were creative geniuses is almost endless. It definitely seems that the 10% of the population is extremely well represented in the ranks of creative genius. As for people that are more contemporaneous, I'll throw out the names of Elton John and Michael Stipes as being in this category.

Certainly, the most heroic of famous homosexuals has to be the entire Spartan culture. This is the Greek city-state that produced King Leonidaes, who led the three hundred Spartans to hold the pass at Thermopolae (the Gates of Fire). They stopped the Persian army for almost an entire week, while sacrificing themselves to save Greece. The entire culture of Sparta embraced homosexuality as a normal function of daily life.

 

[Quoth The Raven]

alexander the great was a bi (he did girls but prefered men) and conquered the largest empires.

Only cos he ran out of boys at home and had to go get some more...

 

[Pah]

I would say that following the Levitical Laws, or not, have no importance in salvation. The sacrificing in Leviticus, for instance, was not neccessary in the christian faith after the death of Jesus, or "the sacrificial Lamb". I'm sure it would not be taboo to sacrifice something in your life in the name of God, but you dont have to. Once again, the laws were set into place for the people at the time, not us today.

Let me continue this off topic just a little bit - "the laws were set into place for the people at the time, not us today" and that includes the laws we have in place for the rights of all Americans. Obey those, please

Now to return - don't you celebrate the contibutions homosexuals have made to society.

Bob

 

[Feathers in Hair]

Don't worry, Gerani! Sunstone is so adept at sarcasm that when he launches into something, I start immeadiately being offended by it, and then have to remember that this is a wonderful, reasonable individual who just happens to be able to take things that could be thought of people of a certain mindset and get them so spot-on that it's frightening.

I am forced to agree that by destroying Sodom and Gomorrah, God saved the Hebrews from the likes of Solon, Aristotle, Michelangelo, Leonardo Da Vinci, and Oscar Wilde.

Aww.... The poor ancient Hebrews probably weren't able to have anything like my current favorite possesion, a stamp with Wilde's "I never travel without my diary. One should always have something sensational to read in the train" quote. Still working on what I can use that for. Maybe for stamping on a letter to my very conservative grandmother?

And as for 'great gay people,' I'd revise it to 'great people who happen to be gay' and then list a great many people here on the forums!

 

[Sunstone]

Don't worry, Gerani! Sunstone is so adept at sarcasm that when he launches into something, I start immeadiately being offended by it, and then have to remember that this is a wonderful, reasonable individual who just happens to be able to take things that could be thought of by people of a certain mindset and get them so spot-on that it's frightening.

Capturing that mindset isn't all that hard to do, Feathers. I just skip my meds for a couple of weeks, and then it just comes naturally.

 

[The Voice of Reason]

Capturing that mindset isn't all that hard to do, Feathers. I just skip my meds for a couple of weeks, and then it just comes naturally.

I've always heard that Thorazine has a uniquely addictive strawberry flavor to it.

TVOR

 

[jewscout]

Certainly, the most heroic of famous homosexuals has to be the entire Spartan culture. This is the Greek city-state that produced King Leonidaes, who led the three hundred Spartans to hold the pass at Thermopolae (the Gates of Fire). They stopped the Persian army for almost an entire week, while sacrificing themselves to save Greece. The entire culture of Sparta embraced homosexuality as a normal function of daily life.

Yeah and they used dull swords to execute people with :jam: thats hardcore!

 

[cardero]

The greatest gay man in my lifetime would have to be writer/film maker John Waters. From what I have read and interviews I have seen he seems like a very interesting individual. He is open and honest, has a genuine LOVE of great films and music and he has also commited/contributed some of the most disturbing visual atrocities to celluloid in the history of film, all in the name of “bad taste”. He is passionate and obsessive about his interests and has an unmatched awareness about life and living.