Great Patriots, Mostly Peaceful: Trump’s Promise to Free Jan. 6 Inmates in DC Jail — Almost All of Them Assaulted Law Enforcement Officers

[metis]

Oh Stop trying to make this out to be more than it was. There was no attempt to take over the Government; they were practically unarmed and had no plan, and once they actually took over the capital building, what did they do? They wondered the halls, took a few selfies, and after less than 2 hours everybody left without further incident. If this were a coup, if this were an attempt to take over the government, they would have arrived armed to do battle with police, secured positions, provided a list of demands, and would have had to be overpowered by superior force. The only thing these fools wanted to do was to temporarily disrupt the election process, once they did that they were done. Quit trying to make a mountain out of this mole hill.

I watched this live for around 4 hours, and I can categorically say that the above was clearly not true as they were trying to prevent the certification of the vote. Thus, it was not meant to be temporary, and many of the convicted said there were doing this because this is what Trump wanted.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

I correct myself: four officers committed suicide.
Well...that's a big number.
I repeat it: remorse makes you commit suicide.

More than remorse. Physical and emotional trauma can have a huge impact on a person's well-being.

I have multiple family and a couple of students that have died by suicide. I find it distasteful to make assumptions about what led to them taking their own life based on an indefensible political position justifying political violence.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

The main problem; lefty tactic, is this topic is not using the full context. What we now known, is the Biden Campaign, in 2020, used the power of Government; FBI, to censor Conservatives and Trump via social media. Their crime was against the first Amendment. We did not know that back then. Nor did we known the full extent and Trump could not fully prove it. Control of fake news and control of social media was not allowing the truth to be known, since the censorship was in full effect. It was organized crime under our noses.

We would not fully know the extent, until Elon Musk bought Twitter, and the House Investigations started to look into the extend of the players in Social media, who had been infected. But the truth came too late, to avoid corruption taking the office of President.

After the election and before Jan 6, Trump made many legal attempts, to pause the election, to sort out the many suspected crimes of the Biden and Harris campaign. But even that was censored at that time, which we now know occurred.

If this censorship of social media is not considered an any advantage, since this election season is Trump/Biden 2, how about Trump gets to do the same thing to Biden this time? According to the DNC, this was not cheating and had no impact as election interference impact. If Trump gets to do the same things, they are even, and we can let it rest. It should have no impact, if the DNC is not lying. Will this happen? Doubtful since Biden would be toast.

I am being facetious. We all know that the censorship made a huge difference. Just censorship of the Hunter Biden Laptop and Biden family influence peddling business, which is now well known, would have killed Biden. Even if this evidence does not 100% implicate the President Biden, the very idea of his documented family, would add security risk. That would kill the Biden campaign; then and now.

Say, the system was honest and we had discussed and investigated the censorship before the election. My guess is that Jan 6, may never had occurred. Trump and his team wanted a day in court, based on an independent investigation; Mueller style. This concern was at least as important as the fake Russian Collusion scam which got it years n court. But that request was ignored and denied, since the crooks who broke the law, needed to get elected and create their own injustice system, to stay out of jail, and continue the cover, with the false narratives.

The Jan 6, demonstration was there to protest the impending formation of a crooked government, who stole a free election. Those who gathered were freedom fighters; 20/20 hindsight, who had no choice but to defend the Constitution against the crooked election and them installing a dual injustice system that could violate rights of anyone who protested, further. They went after political opponents, who they had censored...

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However, fake news and continued censorship, presented a fake scenario, as the impending corrupt government being legal and just, while the concerned censored citizens, based on what we know now, became the enemies of the state; insurrectionists.



RFK JR, who is a Democrat candidate, being harassed by the crooked Government, beliefs that Biden is more of a threat to our Democracy, due to his many violation of freedom of speech. If we loser that one right, all the rest will fall, since if you cannot speak out or know the truth to prevent it, it will be too late to act, after all the rights are gone; COVID pilot study. Fake news and propaganda allowed all forms of right to be placed on pause.



Jan 6, was prophetic, of what we now know today; the crooks would go on yo misuse Government to protect itself. This is why, if Trump wins, the censorship will be over thrown by the truth; truth will come out. This will set all the victims free, and cause the crooks to be tried by the justice to get their justice they deserve.



All the Lefty run state "Trials of Trump", could have been done last year, or even years before, since the accusations date back. Why wait until the start go the 2024 campaign season, to tie up Trump and his campaign money, unless election interference by a Corrupt Government is the goal. We all can see it and they feel safe enough not to care. Jan 6 was caused by this same continuing corruption being addressed. The second time the push will be at the ballot box, with minorities waking up to their better future.



20/20 hindsight allows one to have a better context, at the level of the inside information at that time, while the vast majority was left in ignorance due to censorship.

Can you support these claims with valid resources?

That quote is in the Constitution. This is the clause that led to the demonstration on Jan 6.

That quote is from the Declaration of Independence.

Fake news has a debt to pay, feeding us tranquilizers and poison.

You got that right!

 

[anna.]

I watched this live for around 4 hours, and I can categorically say that the above was clearly not true as they were trying to prevent the certification of the vote. Thus, it was not meant to be temporary, and many of the convicted said there were doing this because this is what Trump wanted.

Same. And if you've read some of the texts and messages exchanged between these 'peaceful tourists' you know their rhetoric and their plans were a lot more violent than just looking for the best place to take a selfie.

 

[Kenny]

Twenty-seven have been charged with assaulting police officers, nineteen have pled guilty or been convicted. These are the 'hostages' Trump and MAGATS lionize. Here is the list and the details of their activities on January 6. Hey, but at least they are featured in a perverted version of the National Anthem with Trump.

Trump’s Promise to Free Jan. 6 Inmates in DC Jail — Almost All of Them Assaulted Law Enforcement Officers

See who exactly is detained in DC jail for January 6th charges, with D.C. Department of Corrections’ official list obtained by Just Security. Nearly all allegedly assaulted law enforcement officers.

www.justsecurity.org

I’m not sure if you read your site… first paragraph:

Former President Donald Trump has made the January 6th defendants central to his campaign. It is “most likely,” Trump has said, that he would pardon “a large portion of them.” One of his “first acts” in office, Trump wrote last month, would be to “Free the January 6 Hostages being wrongly imprisoned!”

It says “wrongly imprisoned...

and then goes on to say:

"Trump’s campaign has deflected questions from the media concerning who, exactly, would “get out.”” and then they go on to say who they think he meant.

Remember… many were imprisoned waiting for a date - if I’m not mistaken.

This seems more like a post trying to create a political division or statement than having any substantive issues at hand.

That being said, if he releases anyone who attacked guards or police, it would be wrong.

 

[Estro Felino]

More than remorse. Physical and emotional trauma can have a huge impact on a person's well-being.

I have multiple family and a couple of students that have died by suicide. I find it distasteful to make assumptions about what led to them taking their own life based on an indefensible political position justifying political violence.

I was just saying there must be a logical nexus between what happened on Jan 6, 2021 and these 4 suicides.

 

[Revoltingest]

Insurrection AND Coup? Both the BLM riots and the Jan 06 riot were both insurrections (insurrection being an uprising against Governmental authority) But neither were a coup attempt.

The insurrection was in the Capitol.
The attempted coup was Trump giving orders
to over-turn the election to Pence, secretaries
of states, & false electors.

Oh Stop trying to make this out to be more than it was.

Oh stop trying to make this out to be less than it was.
You're defending high treason.

There was no attempt to take over the Government;

Trump attempting to stay in the White House
after losing to Biden is treason.
Biden won.
Trump lost.
His numerous court challenges have all failed.
He can't just lie that it was stolen,
& then have his minions re-install him in office.

I just don't get you Magas can excuse such
treason, & even support it.
Do you really believe that Trump won, or that
Biden is so bad that the Constitution should
be suspended to keep Trump in power?

 

[Revoltingest]

I was just saying there must be a logical nexus between what happened on Jan 6, 2021 and these 4 suicides.

You're claiming remorse was the reason.
You've no evidence for this specious claim.

 

[Wandering Monk]

Hey guys, take the medical discussion to another thread please. Not even close to the OP.

 

[Pogo]

Do I have a natural right to their services?

That depends on your philosophy, most think that humans should not suffer needlessly.

 

[Estro Felino]

You're claiming remorse was the reason.
You've no evidence for this specious claim.

Matthew, 3.7-10

 

[Subduction Zone]

Compulsion is moral?

Are you worried about taxes now? Yes, when it comes to taxes compulsion is moral. Even Jesus understood that.

And if you claim to be fiscally conservative then you should support European style single payer health care. The people pay their taxes and the government pays for the health care. They have better health care for less money in Europe than we have here. We have a failed system here. You are told lies by groups representing doctors who do not want to lose their high rates of pay and you have been especially lied to by the pharmaceutical companies that want to grossly over charge for medicines and hospitals where their main concern is profit all too often.

 

[metis]

Former President Donald Trump has made the January 6th defendants central to his campaign. It is “most likely,” Trump has said, that he would pardon “a large portion of them.” One of his “first acts” in office, Trump wrote last month, would be to “Free the January 6 Hostages being wrongly imprisoned!”

So, he knows more than the judge and jury as to who's guilty and who's not? And then he calls them "hostages"?

 

[F1fan]

I’m not sure if you read your site… first paragraph:

Former President Donald Trump has made the January 6th defendants central to his campaign. It is “most likely,” Trump has said, that he would pardon “a large portion of them.” One of his “first acts” in office, Trump wrote last month, would be to “Free the January 6 Hostages being wrongly imprisoned!”

It says “wrongly imprisoned...

Yeah, criminals who had due process and found guilty. It's obvious Trump is using them to exploit emotions in his blind followers.

Do you have a problem with due process, and law enforcement? Trump does, which is one reason he is unfit for the presidency.

and then goes on to say:

"Trump’s campaign has deflected questions from the media concerning who, exactly, would “get out.”” and then they go on to say who they think he meant.

That's because there is no definitive plan, it was just a way Trump uses these Jan 6 criminals as a category of people who were justified in their actions. Why? Because Trump is guilty too, and it's a way for Trump to feel like he is being unjustly treated by the law. It's all an exploitation of his followers. Are you buying into his exploitation? Have you been fooled?

You're either for America and law & order, or for Trump. You don't get it both ways. What do you pick?

Remember… many were imprisoned waiting for a date - if I’m not mistaken.

There have been a small number held, 15 I recall, and some of these defendants were due to them posing a threat to society. Not everyone gets bail if they show themselves to be a threat to society.

That being said, if he releases anyone who attacked guards or police, it would be wrong.

So some crimes you think should be punished, but not all. Why? They have already been judged according to the law. What makes your assessment and judgment more valid than judges?

 

[Revoltingest]

Matthew, 3.7-10

Jasper 3.14159

 

[Kenny]

So, he knows more than the judge and jury as to who's guilty and who's not? And then he calls them "hostages"?

Pardons are done by all presidents - some righteously and some not

 

[metis]

Pardons are done by all presidents - some righteously and some not

I agree, but that's not what I was referring to.

BTW, I have long believed that presidential pardoning needs to be severely modified even though it would require a Constitutional amendment as it's has been so abused.

 

[anna.]

This seems more like a post trying to create a political division or statement than having any substantive issues at hand.

The division is already there, between those who think attacking the Capitol was righteous, and those who think it was a criminal offense.

By the way, it's remarkable how many were turned in by people who knew them. Relatives, friends, neighbors, coworkers.

 

[Kenny]

I agree, but that's not what I was referring to.

BTW, I have long believed that presidential pardoning needs to be severely modified even though it would require a Constitutional amendment as it's has been so abused.

There are many things I wish were modified… like executive orders.

 

[Kenny]

The division is already there, between those who think attacking the Capitol was righteous, and those who think it was a criminal offense.

By the way, it's remarkable how many were turned in by people who knew them. Relatives, friends, neighbors, coworkers.

Attacking the capitol was criminal. People who came in as police said “come on in” and then are charged for being there… that charge is criminal in and of itself.